X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f From: "J.B. Post" To: Subject: [MapHist] Napoleonica Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 08:11:44 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714
   This morning, two sites for Napoleonica were noted in the new items section of <oddenssite>.  There had been questions about Napoleonic maps on this list and now that seems somewhat satisfied.  For the record, I should like to note that the Print & Picture Collection at the Free Library of Philadelphia has a major iconographic collection of Napoleonica, the Hampton Carson Collection of Napoleonic Prints.  Perhaps not quite to the level of Napoleon's Generals' mistresses, it is a major source for images of Napoleon and those associated with him.  It's one of those collections which cries out to be reproduced in published volumes, but the cost would be prohibitive.
 
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 X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 09:58:42 -0400 Subject: [MapHist] ICHC Panel on Cartography & Literature From: Ricardo Padron To: maphist@geog.uu.nl MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at mail.virginia.edu Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 I would like to organize a panel for the International History of Cartography conference, June 15-20, 2003 in Cambridge Massachusetts and Portland Maine, entitled "Cartography & Literature: Limitations and Possibilities." Harley & Woodward's well-known definition of maps as "graphic representations that facilitate a spatial understanding of things, concepts, conditions, processes, or events in the human world" seems to exclude verbal mapping, particularly if "graphic" is interpreted as shorthand for "iconographic." Nonetheless, the past decade or so has witnessed the development of scholarly interest in maps and mapping among literary critics and historians. Various monographs and journal articles have explored the ways that literary texts, broadly conceived, can be said to "map." My panel would address the question, "What difference does it make if we map with words or images?" I invite interested parties to submit paper proposals that either address this general question, or any of the following more specific iterations: Are verbal and iconographic maps somehow interchangeable, and if so, how? Can we speak of relative strengths and weaknesses, and if so, how? What are they? How does the relationship between verbal and iconographic mapping change over time, or across cultures? Papers may address either general theoretical issues directly, or indirectly through the discussion of a representative text or texts. Please email abstracts to me as soon as you can, at padron@virginia.edu, either in the body of your email or as an attached document compatible with Microsoft Word. For those of you whom I have approached individually, please do not think I've forgotten you. I wanted to see who was out there who might want to join us. Best, Ricardo Padron Assistant Professor Department of Spanish, Italian and Portuguese University of Virginia P.O. Box 400777 Charlottesville, VA 22904 padron@virginia.edu http://www.people.virginia.edu/~rp2d (434) 924-7543 (434) 924-7160 (fax) _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f From: "Luke A. Vavra" To: Subject: [MapHist] Half Price Map Sale Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 11:59:56 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714
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 X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 15:58:54 +1000 From: John Cain Subject: [MapHist] Sea of Japan pamphlet X-Sender: johnbpc@truck.its.unimelb.edu.au To: maphist-digest@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 >Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 23:36:34 -0700 >From: "Lutz Walter" >Subject: Re: [MapHist] re: East Sea/Sea of Japan - Sea of Japan/East Sea > >I have looked at the recommended web site last friday, but it seems that >"August 26" had already been taken off the site. However, I understand that >what was shown on the site was the 10 page pamhlet issued by the Japanese >Ministry of Foreign Affairs ... For those who are interested, the direct URL to the pamphlet is: http://www.mofa.go.jp/policy/maritime/japan/pamph0208.pdf However, it is big (8MB) and horribly slow to download, so you may prefer to visit their WHAT'S NEW page http://www.mofa.go.jp/whats/index.html and scroll down to 26 September, right click the "Sea of Japan (PDF)" link and save it to your hard drive for easier viewing. John Cain j.cain@unimelb.edu.au _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f From: "Lutz Walter" To: Cc: Subject: Re: [MapHist] re: East Sea/Sea of Japan - Sea of Japan/East Sea Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 23:36:34 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 Dear Maphisters, I have looked at the recommended web site last friday, but it seems that "August 26" had already been taken off the site. However, I understand that what was shown on the site was the 10 page pamhlet issued by the Japanese Ministry of Foreign Affairs to make its point at the international conference on geographic designations held in Berlin last tuesday. I was approached for permission to reproduce from my book Dudley's "Asia carta di ciasete piu moderna", Florence, 1646, which names the sea north of Japan "Oceano Boriale del Giappone", and the waters directly east of the Korean coast "Mare di Corai". The first time that the disputed designation appears is on Matteo Ricci's Chinese world map of 1602. There the same Chinese characters are used as in modern Japanese, "Ni-hon-kai". I am sure that the printed pamphlet may be obtained by writing to the MoFA. Nevertheless, the following is a quote of part of their summary: "A recent Japanes study of 392" [commercially available] "maps in 60 countries" [excluding Japan and the two Koreas] "revealed that on ly 11 maps (2.8%) did not describe the sea area using only the name 'Sea of Japan.' On those 11 maps, both the name 'Sea of Japan' and the name 'East Sea' were shown. There was no map that described the sea using solely the name 'East Sea.' Historically, the name 'Sea of Japan' became widely accepted and established in Europe from the late 18th century to the early 19th century. It did not come about, as asserted by ROK, as a result of Japan's colonialistic and imperialistic intent in the first half of the 20th century. In view of the methodology for geographical naming, the name 'Sea of Japan' was objectively determined by its geographical charecteristics - the sea area is separated from the Pacific Ocean by the Japanese Archipelago. By contrast, the 'East Sea' is a subjective name proposed from a perspective centering on ROK and DPRK." Among the material laid out in the pamphlet is a list of 24 "Names of Seas of the World" in which six names are highlighted, probably, because these are designations of a certain sea between two different countries, derived from one of these countries (Sea of Japan, Taiwan Strait, Timor Sea, Andaman Sea, Irish Sea, Gulf of California). Incidently, the Baltic Sea is not highlighted. The latter has already been discussed in this context here. However, it may be mentioned that to my knowledge none of the non-Baltic states bordering that sea (Russia, Finnland, Sweden, Denmark, and Germany, for that matter), has ever taken offence from that honour to the Baltic states. But, as Henny has pointed out to us, the issue is not so much about the objectively correct naming of the waters in question, as it is a political issue, which is rooted in the recent history of the three countries involved. In this context, I find it remarkable that the Japanese MoFA in the above quote makes reference to "Japan's colonialistic and imperialistic intent in the first half of the 20th century." One may argue, without splitting hairs, that said imperialism and colonialism was unfortunately not just limited to such intent, and that it started already in the second half of the 19th century. But that it is simply mentioned as not being the reason for the international adoption of the disputed name in an official document addressed to the international public, without putting it into quotation marks or questioning it by any other means, astonishes me. Of course, this neutral wording is neither an admission nor a denial. Nevertheless, it betrays a greater openmindedness, than I would have expected. May be, I am too optimistic. However, the question remains, whether the international naming of oceans is the right forum to balance open political accounts between neighbouring countries. At any rate, by definition it is not for historians to comment on the future. At least that was my answer when a Korean broadcasting team asked me some time ago, how I think that sea should be called. I doubt that that interview was ever aired. Incidently, I have not yet read in the papers about the outcome at the conference last tuesday. Has anybody spotted something? Best wishes to everybody, Lutz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth R. Robinson" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 11:52 PM Subject: [MapHist] re: East Sea/Sea of Japan - Sea of Japan/East Sea For those who are interested in the Sea of Japan/East Sea (or East Sea/Sea of Japan) matter, The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Japan has placed its report on the Ministry homepage. The "original" text is the English-language version. The Japanese-language version is a "translation." For the English-language text, go to the URL below. Reference is made in both versions to the volume "East Sea in World Maps" introduced earlier. http://www.mofa.go.jp/index.html Scroll to "26. August Sea of Japan (PDF)" and click. The PDF file should appear. (Alternatively, go to http://www.mofa.go.jp/mofaj/. This takes you to the Ministry's Japanese-language homepage. To the right you will see an icon reading Ministry of Foreign Affairs/Japan/English. Click that icon. You should arrive at the page in the directions above. Scroll to "26. August Sea of Japan (PDF)" and click. The PDF file should appear.) Tuesday evening I saw a television news report on this issue and the Japanese government's efforts. Ken Robinson _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 12:37:07 +0300 From: Alexey Vladimirovich Postnikov Organization: Russian Academy of Sciences X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,ru To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: Re: [MapHist] re: East Sea/Sea of Japan - Sea of Japan/East Sea Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 Dear Maphisters, As a participant of two "International Seminars on the Geographical Name of [East Sea] Sea of Japan" (Seoul, Korea, 1995 and 1999) I should say that the matter is not so clear and straightforward as it is referred to in the Japanese Ministry of Foreign Affairs' pamphlet. Those who are interested in the detail of discussions and publish materials should address The Society for East Sea (Seoul, The Korea Research Foundation). With best regards, Alexey Postnikov Lutz Walter wrote: > Dear Maphisters, > > I have looked at the recommended web site last friday, but it seems that > "August 26" had already been taken off the site. However, I understand that > what was shown on the site was the 10 page pamhlet issued by the Japanese > Ministry of Foreign Affairs to make its point at the international > conference on geographic designations held in > Berlin last tuesday. I was approached for permission to reproduce from my > book Dudley's "Asia carta di ciasete piu moderna", Florence, 1646, which > names the sea north of Japan "Oceano Boriale del Giappone", and the waters > directly east of the Korean coast "Mare di Corai". The first time that the > disputed designation appears is on Matteo Ricci's Chinese world map of 1602. > There the same Chinese characters are used as in modern Japanese, > "Ni-hon-kai". > > I am sure that the printed pamphlet may be obtained by writing to the MoFA. > Nevertheless, the following is a quote of part of their summary: > > "A recent Japanes study of 392" [commercially available] "maps in 60 > countries" [excluding Japan and the two Koreas] "revealed that on ly 11 maps > (2.8%) did not describe the sea area using only the name 'Sea of Japan.' On > those 11 maps, both the name 'Sea of Japan' and the name 'East Sea' were > shown. There was no map that described the sea using solely the name 'East > Sea.' > > Historically, the name 'Sea of Japan' became widely accepted and established > in Europe from the late 18th century to the early 19th century. It did not > come about, as asserted by ROK, as a result of Japan's colonialistic and > imperialistic intent in the first half of the 20th century. > > In view of the methodology for geographical naming, the name 'Sea of Japan' > was objectively determined by its geographical charecteristics - the sea > area is separated from the Pacific Ocean by the Japanese Archipelago. By > contrast, the 'East Sea' is a subjective name proposed from a perspective > centering on ROK and DPRK." > > Among the material laid out in the pamphlet is a list of 24 "Names of Seas > of the World" in which six names are highlighted, probably, because these > are designations of a certain sea between two different countries, derived > from one of these countries (Sea of Japan, Taiwan Strait, Timor Sea, Andaman > Sea, Irish Sea, Gulf of California). Incidently, the Baltic Sea is not > highlighted. The latter has already been discussed in this context here. > However, it may be mentioned that to my knowledge none of the non-Baltic > states bordering that sea (Russia, Finnland, Sweden, Denmark, and Germany, > for that matter), has ever taken offence from that honour to the Baltic > states. > > But, as Henny has pointed out to us, the issue is not so much about the > objectively correct naming of the waters in question, as it is a political > issue, which is rooted in the recent history of the three countries > involved. In this context, I find it remarkable that the Japanese MoFA in > the above quote makes reference to "Japan's colonialistic and imperialistic > intent in the first half of the 20th century." One may argue, without > splitting hairs, that said imperialism and colonialism was unfortunately not > just limited to such intent, and that it started already in the second half > of the 19th century. But that it is simply mentioned as not being the reason > for the international adoption of the disputed name in an official document > addressed to the international public, without putting it into quotation > marks or questioning it by any other means, astonishes me. Of course, this > neutral wording is neither an admission nor a denial. Nevertheless, it > betrays a greater openmindedness, than I would have expected. > > May be, I am too optimistic. However, the question remains, whether the > international naming of oceans is the right forum to balance open political > accounts between neighbouring countries. At any rate, by definition it is > not for historians to comment on the future. At least that was my answer > when a Korean broadcasting team asked me some time ago, how I think that sea > should be called. I doubt that that interview was ever aired. > > Incidently, I have not yet read in the papers about the outcome at the > conference last tuesday. Has anybody spotted something? > > Best wishes to everybody, > > Lutz > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kenneth R. Robinson" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 11:52 PM > Subject: [MapHist] re: East Sea/Sea of Japan - Sea of Japan/East Sea > > For those who are interested in the Sea of Japan/East Sea (or East Sea/Sea > of Japan) matter, The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Japan has placed its > report on the Ministry homepage. The "original" text is the > English-language version. The Japanese-language version is a > "translation." For the English-language text, go to the URL below. > Reference is made in both versions to the volume "East Sea in World Maps" > introduced earlier. > > http://www.mofa.go.jp/index.html > Scroll to "26. August Sea of Japan (PDF)" and click. The PDF file should > appear. > > (Alternatively, go to http://www.mofa.go.jp/mofaj/. This takes you to the > Ministry's Japanese-language homepage. To the right you will see an icon > reading Ministry of Foreign Affairs/Japan/English. Click that icon. You > should arrive at the page in the directions above. Scroll to "26. August > Sea of Japan (PDF)" and click. The PDF file should appear.) > > Tuesday evening I saw a television news report on this issue and the > Japanese government's efforts. > > Ken Robinson > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.nl > > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.nl _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f X-Sender: jdocktor@cyberia.com@pop.onemain.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 18:45:06 -0400 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "John W. Docktor" Subject: [MapHist] Ristow Prize Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714                 Washington Map Society News



                                                                        September 3, 2002


2002 Ristow Prize Winners Announced

        Each year the Washington Map Society offers the Ristow Prize for cartographic history and map librarianship in honor of Walter W. Ristow, one of the nation's premier map librarians and cartographic authors.  Dr. Ristow was for many years head of the Geography and Map Division at the Library of Congress and was founding president of the Society.

        The first place winner for 2002 is Gary Spurr who is a graduate student at the University of Texas at Arlington. His prize winning paper is entitled Maps of Conquest: Indian and Spanish Maps of Mesoamerica. Mr. Spurr’s winning entry will be published in a future issue of The Portolan.  He received a cash award of $500 and membership in the Washington Map Society for the coming year. 

        An Honorable Mention was awarded to Rushika Hage, a graduate student at the University of Minnesota, for the paper The Island Book of Henricus Martellus: Charting Lands Known and Unknown. Membership in the Washington Map Society has been awarded for the coming year. 

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For  further information about the Washington Map Society or the Ristow Prize see http://www.washmap.org/ or contact Bert Johnson, 2101 Huntington Avenue, Alexandria VA 22303-1547, USA., mandraki@erols.com.

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 X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f X-Sender: maphist@mail.maphist.nl (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 12:55:01 +0200 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl (by way of List-owner MapHist ) Subject: Re: [MapHist] locate Coylan Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 This message was bounced to me because it has something illegals in the headers. Sorry for the delay in transferring to the list. I was on vacation and without internet connection. Peter From: "Harold Osher" Subject: Re: [MapHist] locate Coylan Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 23:11:12 -0400 Joe, The fortress of Coylan was located on the Malabar coast of India. The Dutch East India Company captured it from the Portuguese in 1661. I believe it was also known as Quilon. Not much, but it's a start. Others can probably supply more details and references. Best regards, Harold Harold L. Osher, MD Osher Map Library, University of Southern Maine 314 Forest Avenue, Portland, ME 04104 Tel: (207) 780-4850 Fax: (207) 780-5310 email: osherh@hotmail.com www.usm.maine.edu/maps ----Original Message Follows---- From: Jrrubini@aol.com Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] locate Coylan Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:56:39 EDT I have a map entitled Plan de La Fortresse de Coylan. Can someone tell me where this fort is located and anything about it. Joseph Rubini ---------- Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here Peter van der Krogt List-owner MapHist List-info: http://www.maphist.nl _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f X-Sender: maphist@mail.maphist.nl (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 12:56:06 +0200 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl (by way of List-owner MapHist ) Subject: [MapHist] The earliest Western depiction of Chinese cotton-making / Martini-Blaeu Atlas Sinensis Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 Non-member submission from [Doug McIlroy ] Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 08:40:42 -0400 > Is this possibly the earliest Western depiction of Chinese cotton-making ? It is almost certainly silk-making. The women in the cartouche have gathered cocoons. The man is boiling them to remove the gummy binding sericin and unwinding them to a spindle--silk, unlike cotton, comes as a continuous fiber and does not need to be spun. mail maphist@geog.uu.nl _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f X-Sender: maphist@mail.maphist.nl (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 12:57:37 +0200 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl (by way of List-owner MapHist ) Subject: [MapHist] The earliest Western depiction of Chinese cotton-making--not Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 Non-member submission from [Doug McIlroy ] Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 08:10:23 -0400 The cartouche on the Bleau-Martini map of Chekiang certainly shows the making of silk thread, not cotton. Silk was a fabled product, made by unwinding the fiber from boiled cocoons of the the silk moth. The manufacture of cotton thread, by contrast, requires a spinning phase to tangle the short fibers into a coherent filament. Doug McIlroy _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 18:49:23 +0200 From: Török_zsolT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] US map gift Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 Dear MapHisters, The 1992 edition Munster America 9-11 memorial map gift, I sent for the Newberry Library in Chicago in this March has not arrived. Unfortunately, this 'lost' map may appear on the antique map market. Please note, my edition was printed from original woodblock on hand made paper and was colored by hand. However, the 1992 edition can be easily identified with its structural and unremovable watermark: one should see two OT symbols on the two sides and read the word 'cartart' in the middle of the sheet. Please, take a look at them before negotiating! After the bad news: I am happy to announce the confirmation of the receipt of the second copy I sent for the library in August. It arrived safely last month, and I was informed by the President of the Newberry Library that my gift would be displayed in their famous Map Reading Room. I am especially delighted that they could receive my symbolic gift before the coming Day of Remembrance. Zsolt Torok map and globe maker http://lazarus.elte.hu/~zoltorok >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl From: "Ed Dahl" To: "Bob Karrow" Cc: "George Carhart" , "aaPeter van der Krogt" , "Matthew Edney" Subject: Fw: [MapHist] US map gift Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 14:10:00 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by homer.iosphere.net id g85ICQ084244 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by kwek.eatserver.nl id g85IAMf14632 Bob -- "... and read the word 'cartart' in the middle of the sheet." I would suggest checking the walls of the George 'Carhart' house in Portland, Maine. Regards, Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Török_zsolT" To: Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 12:49 PM Subject: [MapHist] US map gift Dear MapHisters, The 1992 edition Munster America 9-11 memorial map gift, I sent for the Newberry Library in Chicago in this March has not arrived. Unfortunately, this 'lost' map may appear on the antique map market. Please note, my edition was printed from original woodblock on hand made paper and was colored by hand. However, the 1992 edition can be easily identified with its structural and unremovable watermark: one should see two OT symbols on the two sides and read the word 'cartart' in the middle of the sheet. Please, take a look at them before negotiating! After the bad news: I am happy to announce the confirmation of the receipt of the second copy I sent for the library in August. It arrived safely last month, and I was informed by the President of the Newberry Library that my gift would be displayed in their famous Map Reading Room. I am especially delighted that they could receive my symbolic gift before the coming Day of Remembrance. Zsolt Torok map and globe maker http://lazarus.elte.hu/~zoltorok >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl From: "George S. Carhart" Organization: University of Southern Maine To: "Ed Dahl" Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 14:43:28 -0500 Subject: Re: Fw: [MapHist] US map gift CC: , Peter van der Krogt Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by kwek.eatserver.nl id g85Ihsa21282 But Ed if I wanted a modern copy of this map on my wall I would just cut my own wood block. also who wants a copy when I can just walk in to the vault an get an origional. On 5 Sep 2002, at 14:10, Ed Dahl wrote: > Bob -- "... and read the word 'cartart' in the middle of the sheet." > > I would suggest checking the walls of the George 'Carhart' house in > Portland, Maine. > > Regards, Ed > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Török_zsolT" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 12:49 PM > Subject: [MapHist] US map gift > > > Dear MapHisters, > > The 1992 edition Munster America 9-11 memorial map gift, I sent for > the Newberry Library in Chicago in this March has not arrived. > > Unfortunately, this 'lost' map may appear on the antique map market. > Please note, my edition was printed from original woodblock on hand > made paper and was colored by hand. However, the 1992 edition can be > easily identified with its structural and unremovable watermark: one > should see two OT symbols on the two sides and read the word 'cartart' > in the middle of the sheet. Please, take a look at them before > negotiating! > > After the bad news: I am happy to announce the confirmation of the > receipt of the second copy I sent for the library in August. It > arrived safely last month, and I was informed by the President of the > Newberry Library that my gift would be displayed in their famous Map > Reading Room. > > I am especially delighted that they could receive my symbolic gift > before the coming Day of Remembrance. > > Zsolt Torok > map and globe maker > > http://lazarus.elte.hu/~zoltorok > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the > author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility > for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl > George S. Carhart Cartographic Associate Osher Map Library Smith Center for Cartographic Education University of Southern Maine P.O. Box 9301 Portland, Maine 04104-9301 USA (207) 780-4910 gcarhart@usm.maine.edu From: "Ed Dahl" To: "George S. Carhart" Cc: , "Peter van der Krogt" Subject: Re: Fw: [MapHist] US map gift Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 16:02:28 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by homer.iosphere.net id g85K4r090022 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by kwek.eatserver.nl id g85K2di04261 George -- I like your approach. Let's talk. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: "George S. Carhart" To: "Ed Dahl" Cc: ; "Peter van der Krogt" Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 3:43 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [MapHist] US map gift But Ed if I wanted a modern copy of this map on my wall I would just cut my own wood block. also who wants a copy when I can just walk in to the vault an get an origional. On 5 Sep 2002, at 14:10, Ed Dahl wrote: > Bob -- "... and read the word 'cartart' in the middle of the sheet." > > I would suggest checking the walls of the George 'Carhart' house in > Portland, Maine. > > Regards, Ed > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Török_zsolT" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 12:49 PM > Subject: [MapHist] US map gift > > Dear MapHisters, > > The 1992 edition Munster America 9-11 memorial map gift, I sent for > the Newberry Library in Chicago in this March has not arrived. > > Unfortunately, this 'lost' map may appear on the antique map market. > Please note, my edition was printed from original woodblock on hand > made paper and was colored by hand. However, the 1992 edition can be > easily identified with its structural and unremovable watermark: one > should see two OT symbols on the two sides and read the word 'cartart' > in the middle of the sheet. Please, take a look at them before > negotiating! > > After the bad news: I am happy to announce the confirmation of the > receipt of the second copy I sent for the library in August. It > arrived safely last month, and I was informed by the President of the > Newberry Library that my gift would be displayed in their famous Map > Reading Room. > > I am especially delighted that they could receive my symbolic gift > before the coming Day of Remembrance. > > Zsolt Torok > map and globe maker > > http://lazarus.elte.hu/~zoltorok > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the > author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility > for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl > George S. Carhart Cartographic Associate Osher Map Library Smith Center for Cartographic Education University of Southern Maine P.O. Box 9301 Portland, Maine 04104-9301 USA (207) 780-4910 gcarhart@usm.maine.edu X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 21:38:34 -0500 Subject: [MapHist] International Conference on the History of Cartography From: "Ryan J. Carey" To: , Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 Greetings Map-histers: I'm getting ready to finalize my proposal for a panel for the International History of Cartography conference, June 15-20, 2003 in Cambridge Massachusetts and Portland Maine. I just wanted to send one last call for those interested in joining me on a panel entitled "Paper Landscapes: Cartography, Capital, and The State." My panel would address the role that geographic and cartographic information played in the combined efforts of the state and capital to integrate the subjects, markets, and resources of colonial spaces. The purpose of the panel would be to move beyond the largely contextual analysis of maps (maps as a reflection of ideology, society, or cultural contexts) and begin to address the various ways that maps constituted historical change--literally the ways in which maps impacted society and subjects throughout history. My paper, entitled "From Paper Landscapes to Property Rights: Geographic Information and the Vocabulary of Capital" analyzes the ways in which industrial capital created, manipulated, and codified geographic information to create a railroad connection between the Pacific Northwest and the rest of the United States. I argue that geographic information became a common vocabulary between different corporate entities struggling to obtain control of the Columbia river valley, as well as a means for industrial capital to converse with the state in what had by the late nineteenth-century become a largely privatized project of western expansion. Railroad corporations monopolized trade in the Pacific Northwest by engaging the legal apparatus governing railroad expansion, transforming geographic information into exclusively held property rights. For those interested in joining me in this panel, please send a brief abstract for a paper topic and your contact information to: ryan.carey@mail.utexas.edu I look forward to hearing from you. Sincerely, Ryan J. Carey /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Ryan J. Carey, Ph.D. Candidate Acting Instructor, History Department University of Texas, at Austin 1302 West 39 1/2 Street Austin, Texas 78756 512-323-0048 ryan.carey@mail.utexas.edu http://www.utexas.edu/courses/his315k/carey/ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f X-Original-From: philhoehn@juno.com Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:47:49 GMT To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] Union list fire insur. maps addtns. X-Mailer: Juno Webmail Version 1.0 From: philhoehn@juno.com Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 The following areas have been added to the Union List of Sanborn & Other Fire Insurance Maps -- http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/EART/sanbul.html Arizona Colorado Nevada New Mexico Utah Washington British Columbia Mexico Phil Hoehn, Librarian David Rumsey Collection San Francisco philhoehn@juno.com http://www.davidrumsey.com _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f X-Sender: cobb@pop.fas.harvard.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 13:14:07 -0400 To: maps-l@listserv.uga.edu, maphist@geog.uu.nl, maptrade@RAREMAPS.COM From: David Cobb Subject: [MapHist] New Exhibit Cc: jdocktor@CYBERIA.COM Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714
Please excuse cross-posting.

The Harvard Map Collection is pleased to announce its next exhibit entitled: The All American Road Map from 16 September - 15 January 2003. This exhibit will focus on the turbulent 20th century as the American car culture was born and developed. It reflects not only the history of the road system itself but also the history of the American road map as a cultural icon. The exhibit opens with Abraham Bradley's 1797 post route map of the U.S. and closes with a digitally produced 1999 Massachusetts highway map. In between will be examples of cover art, the first free road map distributed of the Berkshire Hills, a 1921 road map of Utah showing the named "blazed" trails, promotional maps from the National Highways Association, examples of strip maps, an example of the new U.S. numbering highway system, examples of different scales, and some early planning maps for the Boston area.

The exhibit is open Monday - Friday from 9 am - 5 pm.

David Cobb

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************************** VERITAS **************************************** X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f From: "Marcel van den Broecke" To: Subject: [MapHist] windwaggons on Ortelius China map Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 14:28:02 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 Dear Maphisters, With regards to the first depiction of windwaggons on Ortelius' China map (number Ort164), it may be of interest to see what Ortelius had to say about them (text based on the editions 1598 Dutch, 1606 English and 1609/1612 Latin): 10. {1598D{They do not touch their meat with their hands, but they put it into their mouths with a silver fork or hook. They sit at their meal or table in chairs or on stools, as we do here in "Europe", and not on the ground, as the rest of the Asians do. They are such a very witty and ingenious people that they have devised and put together certain wagons, which they can skilfully guide through the fields and flat plains, driven forth by its sails and the wind, like a ship at sea. These people already had the art and use of printing books long before it was known to us here in "Europe", {1606E only{ the Western part of the world. In this country, because of its vast size}1606E only}, there are many and various peoples speaking distinct and different languages, one understanding the other no better {1606E{than the Castilian understands the Biscayne}1606E}, or than the German understands the Frenchman}1598D}. The entire text on the China map may be found at www.orteliusmaps.com/book/ort164.html A high resolution image of this map, showing the windwaggons at the top and at the right can be seen at www.orteliusmaps.com/highresolution/4302.jpg Marcel van den Broecke Cartographica Neerlandica tel. +31 30 2202 396 fax +31 30 2203 326 e-mail: info@orteliusmaps.com URL: www.orteliusmaps.com _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] Battle of Lutter X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: ID = dcbfc39fbef9382d8369f80d1f7735a1 From: "Joe Schiffbauer" X-Sender: shifburger@excite.com X-Mailer: PHP Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 16:22:29 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 I am looking for information on a map depicting the Battle of Lutter (Battle N. Novo). The German 15"x13" map shows troop movement during the battle, which was part of Europe's 30 year war. The title, which is on top, translates from German to "Realistic depiction of the stunning victory which Count Tully, the Imperial General,over the King of Denmark, on August 22, 1626, won." The map is drawn or printed on a heavy brown (age?) paper, which has the thickness of a heavy poster board. Why would someone take the time to copy such an obscure event of the 30 years war? Obviously I am quite the amateur. Thanks, Joe Schiffbauer email shifburger@mailexcite.com ------------------------------------------------ Changed your e-mail? Keep your contacts! Use this free e-mail change of address service from Return Path. Register now! _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f From: johnlsaunders@judiciary.gov.hk Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 08:44:47 +0800 Subject: Re: [MapHist] International Conference on the History of Cartography To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on hc-oamta-svr-03/Judiciary(Release 5.0.10 |March 22, 2002) at 09/09/2002 08:44:56 AM Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 nearly lost a mouthful of coffee with that last slide!!!!!!!!! _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 20:09:45 -0700 From: Eric Kintzer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: Re: [MapHist] Battle of Lutter Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 From "The Harper Encyclopedia of Military History" edited by R. Ernest Dupuy and Trevor N. Dupuy: "1626 August 27. Battle of Lutter. Christian of Denmark was badly defeated by Tilly. Christian, having lost half his army, fled. Many protestant princes made peace. The fortunes of the Protestant or anti-Hapsburg cause were at a low ebb." From "Wallenstein, His Life Narrated" by Golo Mann: "In August Count Tilly, master veteran, defeated the King of Denmark in the battle of Lutter which lasted barely a couple of hours. Wallenstein's auxiliaries proved useful to him. Not that this affray put paid to King Christian [of Denmark], ... The reason was always the same - the capacity to withdraw, in spite of grievous losses, in a north-easterly direction, reassemble the scattered troops, and take up new positions between the estuary of the Elbe and Weser, whereas Tilly was unable to cling to his heels. Nevertheless, Lutter had more important consequences than Dessau for the Lower Saxon Circle and neighboring territories. The Dane was a principal in the deal ... Those who could, broke away. Brunswick was one... Brandenburg was another. ...." From "The Thirty Year's War" by Geoffrey Parker: "...So in August, confident that only Tilly's army - equal to his own in quality and strength - lay between him and Vienna, Christian [king of Denmark] set out from Wolfenbüttel. His forces were to form one arm of a giant pincer movement towards the Hapsburg heartland; Mansfeld and Bethlen were to be the other. But Christian was outnumbered and outgeneralled: Wallenstein had in fact left considerable forces behind in Lower Saxony, and Tilly had all the advantages of recent military experience. When, on 26 August 1626, after several days of heavy skirmishing in the rain, Christian brought Tilly to battle at Lutter-am-Barenberg, the laconic entry in the king's diary for that day reads: 'Fought with the enemy and lost. The same day I went to Wolfenbüttel'. To his army, retreating chaotically under constant enemy pressure and abandoned by their commander, his comment must have seemed something of an understatement. What exactly happened at Lutter is obscured by the plethora of pamphlets produced immediately after the battle by Tilly's field chancery -- all of them stressing the inevitability of defeat for heretics who opposed the rightful emperor and his loyal host. Protestant propaganda seems to have blamed - for internal political reasons - the defection of the cavalry at a crucial moment, and the ambushes laid behind Christian's lines. As far as one can see, Tilly's victory was due not so much to the superior quality of his troops as to tactical blunders on the side of the king. ...." Parker cites as a source: "Slaget ved Lutter am Barenberg, 1626" by K.J.V. Jespersen in "Krighistorisk tidsskrift IX (1973) p. 80-89 [This is obviously in Danish which I unfortunately can't read] The battle of Lutter was a key event in the "Thirty Years War -- Danish Period" struggle between the Hapsburgs and the Protestant forces (German princes plus the Danes) that began in 1625 and ended with Denmark's withdrawal in 1629. The end of fighting by Denmark was followed by the Swedes entry into Germany under Gustavus Adolphus. Don't be surprised by the obscurity of this engraving -- the entire Thirty Years War is well covered by engravings - battles and sieges, many of which are virtually undocumented in English texts. If you want a good book filled with examples of Thirty Years' War paintings, broadsheets, and engravings - see "1648 War and Peace in Europe - Exhibition Catalogue" edited by Bussmann and Schilling published for the 350th anniversary of the Peace of Münster (1998). Eric I am looking for information on a map depicting the Battle of Lutter (Battle N. Novo). The German 15"x13" map shows troop movement during the battle, which was part of Europe's 30 year war. The title, which is on top, translates from German to "Realistic depiction of the stunning victory which Count Tully, the Imperial General,over the King of Denmark, on August 22, 1626, won." The map is drawn or printed on a heavy brown (age?) paper, which has the thickness of a heavy poster board. Why would someone take the time to copy such an obscure event of the 30 years war? Obviously I am quite the amateur. Thanks, Joe Schiffbauer email shifburger@mailexcite.com _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f From: F.Herbert@RGS.ORG To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] FW: Lou Sebert -- Obit Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 10:35:39 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 Although not a major historian of cartography the following death should be noted. Francis Herbert f.herbert@rgs.org http://www.rgs.org [see 'Collections'/'Unlocking the Archives'] > -----Original Message----- > From: Dr. Iain C. Taylor [SMTP:mapman@HFX.ANDARA.COM] > Sent: 31 August 2002 11:22 > To: lis-maps@JISCMAIL.AC.UK > Subject: Lou Sebert -- Obit > > An outstanding cartographic pioneer and chronicler of the story of > Canadian topographic > mapping, Lou Sebert, has passed away. Here are two obituaries. > > iain Taylor > Halifax, NS > > from Ed Dahl. > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------- > > Name: Sebert 1.jpg > > Sebert 1.jpg Type: JPEG Image (image/jpeg) > > Encoding: base64 > > > > Name: Sebert 2.JPG > > Sebert 2.JPG Type: JPEG Image (image/jpeg) > > Encoding: base64 _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f From: F.Herbert@RGS.ORG To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] FW: Court Library Donaueschingen Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 12:04:18 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 In case this may interest a few rich MapHist subscribers I forward it (received from 'Ex-Libris' internet discussion list). The sale includes an Ortelius 'TOT' bound with 'Additamentum III' (1584-89) [the world map (fuzzy col. ill.) appears to be Marcel van den Broecke (1996) No. 1 state 1.3 (?)]; and a Pomponius Mela 'De orbis situ' (1595). Francis ('Penniless' and 'Euroless') Herbert f.herbert@rgs.org http://www.rgs.org [see 'Collections'/'Unlocking the Archives'] > -----Original Message----- > From: Klaus Graf [SMTP:graf@uni-koblenz.de] > Sent: 05 September 2002 16:28 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Court Library Donaueschingen > > "Around 500 lots from the renowned Donaueschingen Library, which was the > biggest private library to come on to the market in the 20th century, > will be sold at > Bloomsbury Book Auctions on Thursday 26th September 2002. > > [...] The Furstlich Furstenbergische Hofbibliothek at Donaueschingen in > Germany, was > a magnificent library which was started in the 15th century and was > added to by > subsequent generations for 400 years. The beauty of the library is not > simply that it > was an old private collection, but that it also covered a wide variety > of subjects > and the majority of books still have their original bindings." > (Bloomsbury) > > The catalogue is online at: > > http://www.bloomsbury-book-auct.com/html/440/index.htm > > Please let me remember to the project DONAUESCHINGEN DIGITAL: > > http://www.uni-koblenz.de/~graf/dondig_e.htm > > The project DONAUESCHINGEN DIGITAL not only aims to reconstruct the > former holdings of the Donaueschingen Court Library in a virtual > reality, but also tries to collect all book-historical information which > is still accessible. This refers particularly to provenance research. > > Please give support by notifying me of all books with provenance > "Hofbibliothek Donaueschingen" in private collections or public > libraries. Messages from private owners would be handled confidentially. > > Thank you! > > Dr. Klaus Graf _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f From: "Cardinal, Louis" To: "'maphist@geog.uu.nl'" Subject: RE: [MapHist] FW: Lou Sebert -- Obit Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 09:36:01 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pop.geog.uu.nl id PAA07631 Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 Dear Francis, Please allow me to disagree with you. Lou Sebert was a major historian of the cartography of Canada, especially of the map making activities of the Canadian government, but also of private undertakings. His books and articles attest to this. His main interest was the nineteenth and twentieth centuries, and he was extremely knowledgeable. His contribution as a map maker was also very significant. His publications are used all the time by map librarians and researchers here. Although he did not focus on subjects ususally discussed on MapHist, as an author and editor he can be considered an essential contributor to the history of our national cartography. His portion of entry "Cartography" in "The Canadian Encyclopedia" immediately shows the extent of his understanding of this history. His other extensive writings demonstrate the depth of his knowledge and ability to share it. Conversations with him about cartography were fascinating. In the Canadian cartographic community, his death was felt as an immense loss deserving more than being noted. Louis Louis Cardinal National Archives of Canada/Archives nationales du Canada Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0N3 (613) 996-7619 Fax (613) 995-6226 @: lcardinal@archives.ca http://www.archives.ca -----Message d'origine----- De : F.Herbert@RGS.ORG [mailto:F.Herbert@RGS.ORG] Envoyé : lundi 9 septembre 2002 05:36 À : maphist@geog.uu.nl Objet : [MapHist] FW: Lou Sebert -- Obit -----Message d'origine----- De : F.Herbert@RGS.ORG [mailto:F.Herbert@RGS.ORG] Envoyé : lundi 9 septembre 2002 05:36 À : maphist@geog.uu.nl Objet : [MapHist] FW: Lou Sebert -- Obit Although not a major historian of cartography the following death should be noted. Francis Herbert f.herbert@rgs.org http://www.rgs.org [see 'Collections'/'Unlocking the Archives'] > -----Original Message----- > From: Dr. Iain C. Taylor [SMTP:mapman@HFX.ANDARA.COM] > Sent: 31 August 2002 11:22 > To: lis-maps@JISCMAIL.AC.UK > Subject: Lou Sebert -- Obit > > An outstanding cartographic pioneer and chronicler of the story of > Canadian topographic > mapping, Lou Sebert, has passed away. Here are two obituaries. > > iain Taylor > Halifax, NS > > from Ed Dahl. > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------- > > Name: Sebert 1.jpg > > Sebert 1.jpg Type: JPEG Image (image/jpeg) > > Encoding: base64 > > > > Name: Sebert 2.JPG > > Sebert 2.JPG Type: JPEG Image (image/jpeg) > > Encoding: base64 _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f From: F.Herbert@RGS.ORG To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: RE: [MapHist] FW: Lou Sebert -- Obit Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 15:13:26 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pop.geog.uu.nl id QAA11034 Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 Dear Louis, Having had an offlist friendly 'slap on the wrist' from Ed (Dahl), I would certainly agree with you as you write below. By 'major' I was probably - wrongly - comparing him with a 'multi-national'/international historian of cartography of the like of Bagrow (for his time), Helen Wallis, and Brian Harley (et al.), all of whose researches extended beyond national and continental boundaries. My brief introductory comment - in forwarding Iain Taylor's notice to Lis-maps about two (further?) obituaries - was not intended to be derogatory either to Canadians or to Lou's memory (whom I remember, especially, from his participation in organising the very successful History of Cartography Conference in Ottawa in 1985). In a similar manner I would not now dare to 'qualify' the status of Ib Roenne Kejlbo (of Denmark), who died earlier this year. Sincerely, Francis f.herbert@rgs.org http://www.rgs.org [see 'Collections'/'Unlocking the Archives'] > -----Original Message----- > From: Cardinal, Louis [SMTP:lcardinal@archives.ca] > Sent: 09 September 2002 14:36 > To: 'maphist@geog.uu.nl' > Subject: RE: [MapHist] FW: Lou Sebert -- Obit > > Dear Francis, Please allow me to disagree with you. Lou Sebert was a major > historian of the cartography of Canada, especially of the map making > activities of the Canadian government, but also of private undertakings. > His > books and articles attest to this. His main interest was the nineteenth > and > twentieth centuries, and he was extremely knowledgeable. His contribution > as > a map maker was also very significant. His publications are used all the > time by map librarians and researchers here. Although he did not focus on > subjects ususally discussed on MapHist, as an author and editor he can be > considered an essential contributor to the history of our national > cartography. His portion of entry "Cartography" in "The Canadian > Encyclopedia" immediately shows the extent of his understanding of this > history. His other extensive writings demonstrate the depth of his > knowledge > and ability to share it. Conversations with him about cartography were > fascinating. In the Canadian cartographic community, his death was felt as > an immense loss deserving more than being noted. Louis > > Louis Cardinal > National Archives of Canada/Archives nationales du Canada > Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0N3 > > (613) 996-7619 > Fax (613) 995-6226 > @: lcardinal@archives.ca > http://www.archives.ca > > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : F.Herbert@RGS.ORG [mailto:F.Herbert@RGS.ORG] > Envoyé : lundi 9 septembre 2002 05:36 > À : maphist@geog.uu.nl > Objet : [MapHist] FW: Lou Sebert -- Obit > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : F.Herbert@RGS.ORG [mailto:F.Herbert@RGS.ORG] > Envoyé : lundi 9 septembre 2002 05:36 > À : maphist@geog.uu.nl > Objet : [MapHist] FW: Lou Sebert -- Obit > > > Although not a major historian of cartography the following death should > be > noted. > > Francis Herbert > f.herbert@rgs.org > http://www.rgs.org [see 'Collections'/'Unlocking the Archives'] > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dr. Iain C. Taylor [SMTP:mapman@HFX.ANDARA.COM] > > Sent: 31 August 2002 11:22 > > To: lis-maps@JISCMAIL.AC.UK > > Subject: Lou Sebert -- Obit > > > > An outstanding cartographic pioneer and chronicler of the story of > > Canadian topographic > > mapping, Lou Sebert, has passed away. Here are two obituaries. > > > > iain Taylor > > Halifax, NS > > > > from Ed Dahl. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ---------------- > > > Name: Sebert 1.jpg > > > Sebert 1.jpg Type: JPEG Image (image/jpeg) > > > Encoding: base64 > > > > > > Name: Sebert 2.JPG > > > Sebert 2.JPG Type: JPEG Image (image/jpeg) > > > Encoding: base64 > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.nl > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.nl _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 11:22:32 -0400 Subject: Re: [MapHist] FW: Lou Sebert -- Obit From: Ricardo Padron To: maphist@geog.uu.nl MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at mail.virginia.edu Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 Re: [MapHist] FW: Lou Sebert -- Obit Dear Professor Herbert,

Just wanted to let you know of two recent publications of mine that you may want to include in your annual bibliography:

Padron, Ricardo.  "Charting Empire, Charting Difference: Gómara's Historia general de las Indias and Spanish Maritime Cartography."  Colonial Latin American Review.  11.1 (2002): 47-69.

Padron, Ricardo.  "Mapping Plus Ultra: Cartography, Space, and Hispanic Modernity."  Representations 79 (2002): 28-60.

Best,

Ricardo Padron
Assistant Professor
Department of Spanish, Italian and Portuguese
University of Virginia
P.O. Box 400777
Charlottesville, VA 22904
padron@virginia.edu
http://www.people.virginia.edu/~rp2d
(434) 924-7543
(434) 924-7160 (fax)
 X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f From: F.Herbert@RGS.ORG To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: RE: [MapHist] FW: Lou Sebert -- Obit Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 16:38:55 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pop.geog.uu.nl id RAA17200 Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 Dear Professor Padron, Many thanks for your kind and helpful message - I nearly fell off my chair that someone (not hitherto world-famous in the history of cartography world) should actually bother to directly inform me of his recent work! As you may know, from seeing my annual bibliography for 'Imago Mundi', the data you cite is insufficient for generating notes - and consequent indexes entries; but I shall now be able to inspect these periodicals in the BL, or in the Institute of Historical Research's Library that I cull once a year (on two evenings after work) and fill out more details. I trust that the eventual entries in next year's 'IM Bibliography' will make your researches, evaluations, and name more well-known (vol. 55 has to be ready for the New England Hist. of Cartgr. Conf. in New England - or I'm in trouble). If only others would follow your example (ahem, ahem!) Sincerely (Mr) Francis Herbert (Curator of Maps, RGS-IBG ; Compiler since 1976 of 'Imago Mundi Bibliography') f.herbert@rgs.org http://www.rgs.org [see 'Collections'/'Unlocking the Archives'] > -----Original Message----- > From: Ricardo Padron [SMTP:rp2d@VIRGINIA.EDU] > Sent: 09 September 2002 16:23 > To: maphist@geog.uu.nl > Subject: Re: [MapHist] FW: Lou Sebert -- Obit > > Dear Professor Herbert, > > Just wanted to let you know of two recent publications of mine that you > may want to include in your annual bibliography: > > Padron, Ricardo. "Charting Empire, Charting Difference: Gómara's Historia > general de las Indias and Spanish Maritime Cartography." Colonial Latin > American Review. 11.1 (2002): 47-69. > > Padron, Ricardo. "Mapping Plus Ultra: Cartography, Space, and Hispanic > Modernity." Representations 79 (2002): 28-60. > > Best, > > Ricardo Padron > Assistant Professor > Department of Spanish, Italian and Portuguese > University of Virginia > P.O. Box 400777 > Charlottesville, VA 22904 > padron@virginia.edu > http://www.people.virginia.edu/~rp2d > (434) 924-7543 > (434) 924-7160 (fax) > _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 14:36:02 -0400 Subject: [MapHist] My apologies for sending a personal message to the entire list! From: Ricardo Padron To: maphist@geog.uu.nl MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at mail.virginia.edu Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 Ricardo Padron Assistant Professor Department of Spanish, Italian and Portuguese University of Virginia P.O. Box 400777 Charlottesville, VA 22904 padron@virginia.edu http://www.people.virginia.edu/~rp2d (434) 924-7543 (434) 924-7160 (fax) _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 16:10:33 +0200 X-MX-Warning: Warning -- Invalid "From" header. From: "Dr. Zsolt Török" Organization: Dept.of Cartography, ELTE X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] US map gift on display with Bill of Rights Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 Dear MapHisters, On September 11, 2002, the Library of Virginia will join museums across the United States in a Day of Remembrance of the tragic events of September 11. The Library will display Virginia’s 1789 manuscript copy of the proposed United States Bill of Rights, with its original 12 amendments. As a special honor, on display will be also a copy of my edition of the Münster America 1540-1992 map, which was published to commemorate the 500th anniversary of the Columbian Encounter. I could donate this copy printed from a hand-cut wood block on handmade paper to the Library of Virginia in sympathy for the events of September 11. Other copies of the map also have been donated to a select group of institutions including the Newberry Library in Chicago, Harvard Map Collection, American Geographical Society’s Collection and the Geography and Map Division of the Library of Congress. For more information on the map gift project please, visit: http://lazarus.elte.hu/~zoltorok/Cartartweb/cartart_munster.htm Dr. Zsolt Török _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f From: "Barber, Peter" To: "Maphist (E-mail)" Cc: "Chang, Maria" , "Fernandez@Iso. Ch (E-mail)" , "Bruce Lenman (E-mail)" Subject: [MapHist] Helen Wallis Fellows Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 17:21:25 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pop.geog.uu.nl id SAA20463 Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 HELEN WALLIS FELLOWS The British Library is very happy to announce that the fifth Helen Wallis Fellow, Heather Ewing, a Research Associate at the Smithsonian Institution Archives, Washington DC , took up residence in the Map Library of the British Library on 2 September, initially for 3 months. In January she will be joined, as sixth Helen Wallis Fellow, by Alistair Maeer a Transatlantic History Doctoral student in the history department of the University of Texas, Arlington. The fellowship, named after the former and much-respected Map Librarian, the late Dr. Helen Wallis, 'confers recognition by the British Library on a scholar whose work will help promote the extended and complementary use of the British Library's book and cartographic collections in historical investigation'. The Wallis Fellow has privileges similar to those of members of staff with an additional £300 to spend on British Library services. Heather is carrying out research for the first full-length biography of James Smithson (1765?-1829) , the English mineralogist and Grand Tourist whose bequest established the Smithsonian. Alistair is working on English cartography and the expansion of seventeenth-century English trade. Thje closing dates for applications for fellowships for the academic year 2003-4 is 1 May 2003. 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List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f X-Sender: maphist@mail.maphist.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 22:17:35 +0200 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: List-owner MapHist Subject: [MapHist] map of portugal X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pop.geog.uu.nl id WAA25859 Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 Non-member submission from ["EDUARDO MARTA" ] Dear Sirs, I'm doing some research on a placename called "Fonte de Hão" . I've= already seen it on a map with the title "Portugallo" certainly made by= Secco in the XVI th century, which later was used by Ortelius in his first= "Theatre Orbis Terrarum" . Mr Marcel van den Broecke gave me your e-mail in order to see of any of= you gentlemen could give me any information about this map. I'm writing a= book about the origin of my hometown's name, and according to that= specific map that is all the proof I need. Best regards Jos=E9 da Marta _______________________________________________________ Vizzavi Mail powered by Vodafone - http://www.vizzavi.pt Virus protected by TrendMicro - http://www.antivirus.com _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f From: "van der heijden" To: Subject: [MapHist] Senex Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:46:27 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714

For mr Herbert, RGS London
Dear mr Herbert, we have a map 'The Dutch Netherlands or the Seven United Provinces [...] , by Senex, 47x54,5 cm. Do you know in which atlas the map can be found: A new general Atlas containing a geographical and historical account[...], RGS 1-B-13 ? or The universal geographer or compleat atlas containing all the known countries of the world laid down from [...] ?
I hope you will be able to help me. Many thanks
Henk van der Heijden
 X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f X-Sender: jsk@pop.gamewood.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 16:50:46 -0400 To: maptrade@RAREMAPS.COM From: Joel Kovarsky Subject: [MapHist] trying to locate dealer Cc: maphist@geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 I received a call from someone trying to locate Kit Kapp. This person has the Osprey address, with a phone number that is no longer in service from the listings in the Antique Map Price Record. This person is an old friend of Mr. Kapp's, concerned about his welfare. If anyone has any more recent information, please contact me offlist (email below). Thank you. Joel Kovarsky Joel Kovarsky for THE PRIME MERIDIAN 385 Thistle Trail, Danville, VA 24540 USA Phone: 434/724-1106; Fax: 434/799-0218 email: jsk@gamewood.net Website: _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 20:02:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Jay Lester Subject: [MapHist] Cumming Map Society Meeting Announcement To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 Greetings, For those interested, information regarding the upcoming meeting of the William P. Cumming Map Society can be found on our home page: http://www.cummingmapsociety.org/ Meeting date is October 19 and location is Davidson College, Davidson, NC. Best regards, ===== Jay Lester Chapel Hill, NC mapsguy@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:21:02 +0100 From: Ashley Baynton-Williams Organization: MapForum.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: Re: [MapHist] Senex Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 Henk, In answer to your query, the map is from Senex's 'New General Atlas', London, 1721. That is the straightforward part. The General Atlas is composed of two distinct sets of printing plates. The first are those by Senex himself: the Europe, Moscovy, Amsterdam, France etc. etc.) The second group are those signed as "revis'd by Senex", as your map of Holland. I believe these plates were printed from plates previously owned / published by Christopher Browne. So far I have traced examples of the maps of Scotland, Spain, Greece, Scandinavia, Denmark, English Empire in America and Virginia with Browne's imprint. Hopefully, I will find either the maps themselves or advertisements linking the other 'Revis'd' plates with Browne. One day ...! Ashley Baynton-Williams Editor@mapforum.com http://www.mapforum.com _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f From: "J.B. Post" To: Subject: [MapHist] Flawed maps Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:16:33 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714
   Long before Jay Leno (late-night US TV talk show host) started to have odd headlines from newspapers and strangely worded ads, THE COLUMBIA JOURNALISM REVIEW regularly on the inside back cover had funny things from actual newspaper stories like double entendre headlines or picture not matching the text.  Recently CONSUMER REPORTS has been doing the same with advertising of products.  In the October 2002 issue, also on the inside of the back cover, a map ad for Office Depot is reproduced which attempts to show the location of the "Next-Business-Day Delivery" centers.  Unfortunately, Phoenix is shown as being in Utah, Salt Lake City in Arizona, Baltimore in New Jersey, and Philadelphia in Maryland.  The obvious explanation is someone slipped up and switched some of the name labels.  The map isn't detailed enough or large enough for exact placing and the dot labeled "Baltimore" was meant to be in Pennsylvania.
 
   While all this may be amusing, is anyone collecting such things?  I don't think we can call deliberate misinformation on maps "errors," such things as propaganda maps, deliberate mislocation of cities (Moscow comes to mind), and the like, so that's a different matter, nor are the errors in early maps of an area based on limited information the same sort.  Other than examples of geographic illiteracy, are they even worth collecting and studying?
 
         J. B. Post
 
 X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f From: "Ronald Whistance-Smith" To: Cc: , "Maps and Air Photo Systems Forum" Subject: [MapHist] Fw: [mapsandprintsgb] China Map Exhibition in Hong Kong Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:43:51 -0600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carroll Steven-A12506" To: "'Robert Walker'" ; "Mapsandprintsgb" Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 12:28 AM Subject: [mapsandprintsgb] China Map Exhibition in Hong Kong Yesterday I had the good fortune to see the HK University of Science, China map and atlas exhibition. It was first rate and very comprehensive. They are planning a catalogue in a year or so which will be a must for China map specialists and all interested in the area. Check out the WEB site below for a gallery. http://library.ust.hk/info/exhibit/maps-2002/ Steve Carroll Beijing, China _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f X-Sender: adam_eve@henny-savenije.pe.kr X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 03:01:32 +0900 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Henny Savenije Subject: Re: [MapHist] Fw: [mapsandprintsgb] China Map Exhibition in Hong Kong Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 >http://library.ust.hk/info/exhibit/maps-2002/ I could connect to the main site, but when I wanted to see the maps in detail I couldn't, (connection refused). Wonderful maps, and a lot of things I didn't know yet. Henny (Lee Hae Kang) ----------------------------- All my sites moved So please adjust your bookmarks and links Portal to all my sites http://www.henny-savenije.pe.kr Feel free to discover Korea with Hendrick Hamel (1653-1666) http://www.hendrick-hamel.henny-savenije.pe.kr (in English) In Korean http://www.hendrick-hamel.henny-savenije.pe.kr/indexk2.htm In Dutch http://www.hendrick-hamel.henny-savenije.pe.kr/Dutch Frits Vos Article about Witsen and Eibokken and his first Korean-Dutch dictionary http://www.vos.henny-savenije.pe.kr Korea through Western Cartographic eyes http://www.cartography.henny-savenije.pe.kr (in English) Hwasong the fortress in Suwon http://www.hwasong.henny-savenije.pe.kr The way a ship was rigged: http://www.hendrick-hamel.henny-savenije.pe.kr/shiprigg.htm Old Korea in pictures http://www.oldKorea.henny-savenije.pe.kr Genealogy http://www.genealogy.henny-savenije.pe.kr _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f X-Sender: day@pop.theworld.com Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 15:38:12 -0400 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: John Day Subject: Re: [MapHist] Fw: [mapsandprintsgb] China Map Exhibition in Hong Kong Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 >>http://library.ust.hk/info/exhibit/maps-2002/ > > >I could connect to the main site, but when I wanted to see the maps >in detail I couldn't, (connection refused). Wonderful maps, and a >lot of things I didn't know yet. I didn't have a problem. No connection refused. But when you click on the maps, it doesn't expand them but links to what appears to be the library catalog page for the item. Take care, John _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f From: Nick Millea To: carto-soc , liber list , lis-maps , maphist-l , maps-l Subject: [MapHist] The Oxford Seminars in Cartography Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 15:14:18 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) X-Mailer: Simeon for Win32 Version 4.1.5 Build (43) X-Authentication: none Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 Dear All, [Apologies for cross-posting to carto-soc, liber-gdc, lis-maps, maphist, maps-l and various private individuals] THE OXFORD SEMINARS IN CARTOGRAPHY Programme for 2002-2003 2002 Thursday 14 November Global exploration: a conservator's journey Sylvia Sumira (Independent Conservator) 2003 Thursday 27 February The Admiralty Chart in the nineteenth century: a neglected resource? Andrew Cook (India Office Records, The British Library) Thursday 22 May E.C. Willatts and the planning maps from central government: thirty years of achievement in British thematic cartography 1953-1982 Dr Christopher Board (International Cartographic Association) All seminars commence at 5pm in the School of Geography and the Environment, Mansfield Road, Oxford For further details contact nam@bodley.ox.ac.uk or 01865 287119 The Oxford Seminars in Cartography are supported by the Friends of TOSCA, ESRI (UK) Ltd, Oxford Cartographers, and the School of Geography and the Environment, University of Oxford ________________________________________________________ Nick Millea Map Librarian, Bodleian Library, Broad Street, Oxford, OX1 3BG, UK tel : +44 (0)1865 287119 fax : +44 (0)1865 277139 email : nam@bodley.ox.ac.uk homepage: http://www.bodley.ox.ac.uk/guides/maps/ ________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f From: "tony campbell" To: "*Carto-soc" , "*Liber-GdC" , "*Lismaps" , "*Maps-L" , "*MapHist" Subject: [MapHist] Harley Fellowships call Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 16:38:22 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 [Please excuse duplication for wide posting. Conversely, please pass on to others who might be interested] **************************************** The J.B. Harley Research Fellowships in the History of Cartography **************************************** The closing date for applications is NOVEMBER 1st. Please apply to the undersigned for details, indicating *where* you saw this announcement. The Harley Fellowships - the only one of their kind in Europe - provide support of up to four weeks (normally at GBP 250 per week) for those, from any discipline, doing the equivalent of post-graduate level work in the map collections of the London area. For details of past applications and awards, and comments from previous Fellows see: http://ihr.sas.ac.uk/maps/harley.html Tony Campbell Hon. Secretary J.B. Harley Fellowships ***************************************** t.campbell@ockendon.clara.co.uk 76 Ockendon Road London N1 3NW UK Phone: 020 7359 6477 International: +44 20 7359 6477 Web site: http://ihr.sas.ac.uk/maps/harley.html ****************************************** _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f From: Lucy_Chester@ksg.harvard.edu To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] Cartography and Nationalism Panel for ICHC Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 12:47:05 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on KSGMTA/KSG(Release 5.0.10 |March 22, 2002) at 09/16/2002 12:52:10 PM X-Filter-Version: 1.8 (ksgfiona) Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 Dear colleagues, I would like to organize a panel on "Cartography and Nationalism" for the International Conference on the History of Cartography, 15-20 June 2003, in Cambridge, MA and Portland, ME. Potential topics for this panel include representations of nationalism, the relationship between cartographic symbols and nationalist action, government (or anti-government) map production, cartographic propaganda, cartographic censorship, cartographic aggression, territorial conflict, and other aspects of the complex relationship between cartography and nationalism. My own paper addresses cartographic representations of Kashmir, both those issued and/or approved by the Indian or Pakistani governments, and those that the Indian or Pakistani governments seek to censor. Please contact me at lucy_chester@ksg.harvard.edu if you are interested in this panel or have any questions. I am eager to hear from scholars doing related work, even if they cannot join this panel. Many thanks for your time! Sincerely, Lucy Chester _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f From: KitTheMap@aol.com Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 16:08:37 EDT Subject: [MapHist] Re: W Waller To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows DE sub 10501 Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 I have a number of English map fragments. They are all printed maps of railway projects (completed and aborted) from c.1840.
They have been cut from sheets, folded and used as folders. The enterprising stationer has labeled them "Autograph, letters, historical documents and m/s".

Can anyone give me info on this stationer: w waller & son, london?

Thanks

Kit X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f From: "Rodney Shirley" To: Subject: Re: [MapHist] Senex Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 21:52:08 +0100 Organization: UUNET X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 Ashley Interesting to read your comments on Senex's maps. I'd noted that most of those in his New General Atlas were `Revis'd by J Senex' but I was unaware that these had previously been in the hands of Christopher Browne--you cautiously say `owned or published' by him. Presumably Browne was intending to make up his own atlas which would have been 9 or 10 years earlier as Sarah Tyacke suggests he more or less retired in about 1712. She doesn't connect Senex with Browne at all. I myself haven't come across any such items and certainly no hint of a prospective atlas. Are the maps you mention all together? Another point, is there any Christopher Browne connection with Daniel Browne who was the first-named publisher of Senex's atlas? Best wishes Rodney rws@dial.pipex.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Baynton-Williams" To: Sent: 12 September 2002 18:21 Subject: Re: [MapHist] Senex > Henk, > In answer to your query, the map is from Senex's 'New General Atlas', London, 1721.That is the straightforward part. The General Atlas is composed of two distinct sets of printing plates. The first are those by Senex himself: the Europe, Moscovy, Amsterdam, France etc. etc.) The second group are those signed as "revis'd by Senex", as your map of Holland. I believe these plates were printed from plates previously owned /published by Christopher Browne. So far I have traced examples of the maps of Scotland, Spain, Greece, Scandinavia, Denmark, English Empire in America and Virginia with Browne's imprint. > Hopefully, I will find either the maps themselves or advertisements linking the other 'Revis'd' plates with Browne. One day ...! Ashley Baynton-Williams Editor@mapforum.com http://www.mapforum.com > > > _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 23:21:49 +0100 From: Ashley Baynton-Williams Organization: MapForum.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: Re: [MapHist] Senex Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 Rodney, I was probably being over cautious with "owned or published" - I really meant map plates that he acquired or those that he commissioned. I have never seen a collection of these maps, only the individual sheets, and these very rarely. Those plates acquired by Browne include Bernard Randolph's Greece (1686) and Robert Morden's English Empire in America (ca.1695). Those plates first published by Browne (so far as I know) include: Virginia (ca.1695), West Indies' islands (ca.1696), Spain (ca.1700), Scotland (begun by Robert Morden; advertised in Trinity Term 1705), Denmark, Scandinavia and Rome (ca.1705). The map of Switzerland was apparently advertised in the Daily Courant for 2nd August 1712, but I haven't located an example with the Browne imprint. Most of these dates are "received" from standard reference books, rather than proven. I have a lot more work to do on advertisements in order to sort the dates out but, unfortunately, most of Browne's newspaper advertisments for the relevant period relate to maps of places in the "news", rather than his more "mundane" stock. I don't think there is any connection between Christopher Browne and Daniel Browne Sr. & Jr. The only slight link I know of is that Daniel Browne Sr. (and partners) published 'The History of the Earls and Earldom of Flanders ...' (London, 1701), which contained a map of Flanders published by Christopher Browne. The entry in Tooley's Dictionary Of Mapmakers, revised edition, combines the two men as one. What follows is partly supposition, based on lifespan. Daniel Sr. (the father ?) succeeded the printer/publisher William Crooke by 2nd November 1695 ('Post Boy' advertisement). The earliest publication I have recorded for him is 1696: the second edition of Abel Boyer's 'Martial-Field Of Europe'. Over the intervening years he published a number of books with maps, several with maps by Senex. In 1721 he was a co-publisher of Senex's 'New General Atlas.' In 1723, Daniel Sr. & Jr. published a new edition of John Norden's 'Speculum Britanniae', with maps by Senex. I then have a gap until 1732 when a Daniel was co-publisher of the second edition of Churchill's 'Collection of Voyages'. I assume this to be Daniel Jr., who continued to be involved in map-related publications until 1762, the year he died. Unfortunately, I have a lot more research to do on Christopher Browne, but much really depends on finding the missing maps, and then tying them in to the advertisements. Should you find an atlas in your delving at the BL, life would be a lot easier ! Ashley Baynton-Williams Editor@mapforum.com http://www.mapforum.com _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 07:54:12 -0400 From: "Colin S. Cavell" To: , , CC: "ccavell" Subject: [MapHist] Seeking Maps X-Mailer: Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 Dear List Members: Would appreciate if anyone on this list can direct me to a manufacturer or vendor of stand alone maps, that is, maps on a stand, by which one can flip to the appropriate map. And the maps should be large enough to be viewed by a class of 20-30 students in a classroom. Rand McNally used to produce such maps in their Wesley Social Studies Series about 20 years ago, entitled "Our America". Am looking for such maps (either on a stand by which one can flip to or hanging from a roller hung from the ceiling, from which one can pull down the appropriate map desired) of the following areas: 1) the USA 2) the Americas (North, Central, and South America) 3) the Arabian Gulf and Middle East 4) the World Am looking for a) geographical and topographical maps, political maps, and historical maps of each of the areas listed above. If anyone has any knowledge of a vendor of such maps, please contact me ASAP at ccavell@hcc.mass.edu. Thank you for your assistance. Regards, Colin S. Cavell -- Colin S. Cavell, Ph.D. Holyoke Community College Department of Social Sciences 270 Donahue Building 303 Homestead Ave. Holyoke, MA 01040-1091 413.552.2154, Ext. 3267 -- _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f X-Sender: jsk@pop.gamewood.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:36:52 -0400 To: mapcollector@antiquemapdealers.com From: Joel Kovarsky Subject: [MapHist] Fall / Winter 2002 offerings Cc: maphist@geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 Please take a look at our new postings for the fall / winter of 2002 at: . We will continue to maintain our rotating sale catalogue, changed every 2 months, at: , but those offerings will no longer be available off a link from our main site page, but only from the IAMA dealer catalogue area. Please query privately, and do not respond directly to the list. Thank you. Joel Kovarsky for THE PRIME MERIDIAN 385 Thistle Trail, Danville, VA 24540 USA Phone: 434/724-1106; Fax: 434/799-0218 email: jsk@gamewood.net Website: _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f From: Mark.Brown@dpiwe.tas.gov.au Subject: [MapHist] John Speede - Suffolke To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:19:21 +1000 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on HBT_COMMS_DM/HBT/DPIF/AU(Release 5.0.10 |March 22, 2002) at 20/09/2002 06:07:59 PM Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 Dear Maplistees,, Please forgive my very basic question, my area of expertese is spatial analysis, and environmental modelling, I have basically no knowldge of ancient maps, however I very much enjoy looking at them.. Today whilst purchasing some books by Richard Halliburton, I picked up a old hand coloured map of "Suffolke described and divided into Hundreds, the Situa tion of the Fayre towne IPSWICH Shewed[typed as it appears], with the Armes of the most noble fami lies that have bene[typed as it appears] either Dukes, or Earles both of that Countie[typed as it appears] as also of Clare." It has the reference "Performed by John Speede and are to besold[looks like folde] in popes head alley against the Exchang[there was no e on the end] by George Huble" The date is "Cum Privilegio Anno 1610" It is in a pretty old frame, how do I tell how old the map is? or if it is an old coloured reproduction? cheers Mark Brown Tasmania Australia -------------------------------------------------------- Mark Brown Spatial Information Systems Team Leader Land and Water Management Branch Department of Primary Industry, Water and Environment P.O. 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List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f From: "tony campbell" To: "*MapHist" Subject: [MapHist] Château de Grignan meeting Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:25:09 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 I do not think the following three-day meeting has been publicised on MapHist. "IMAGO MUNDI Le monde des cartes Le Centre de Recherche sur la Littérature des Voyages en partenariat avec le Château de Grignan du Conseil général de la Drôme. Les 18, 19 et 20 octobre 2002 au Château de Grignan. Sophie Linon-Chipon et Laurence Lavergne." A number of the talks are specifically about the history of cartography. For the full programme, see < http://www.crlv.org/outils/colsem/afficher.php?colsem_id=22 >. I have no idea why Imago Mundi is mentioned in this context - but anything that serves to keep the name of the journal in the public gaze cannot be bad! ***************************************** Tony Campbell 76 Ockendon Road London N1 3NW UK t.campbell@ockendon.clara.co.uk Tel: 020 7359 6477 International: +44 20 7359 6477 ****************************************** 'Map History / History of Cartography: THE Gateway to the Subject' http://ihr.sas.ac.uk/maps _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f From: "tony campbell" To: "*MapHist" Subject: [MapHist] Contents of this year's Imago Mundi Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 17:35:01 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 This year's volume of Imago Mundi, including (as is now usual) twelve colour plates, has been sent to all those subscribers who sent payment prior to publication. For further information about Imago Mundi, and how it can be obtained, please see < http://ihr.sas.ac.uk/maps/imago.html > or contact < t.campbell@ockendon.clara.co.uk >. CONTENTS OF VOLUME 54 (2002) ARTICLES (on the webpage < http://ihr.sas.ac.uk/maps/contents54.html > each article entry is hyperlinked to its abstract in English, French, German and Spanish) The Medieval Texts of the 1486 Ptolemy Edition by Johann Reger of Ulm. Margriet Hoogvliet, p.7- Maps of the World for Ottoman Princes? Further Evidence and Questions Concerning `The Mappamondo of Hajji Ahmed'. Benjamin Arbel, p.19- Draft Town Maps for John Speed's Theatre of the Empire of Great Britaine. Sarah Bendall, p.30- The Social Nature of Map Making in the Scottish Enlightenment, c.1682--c.1832. Charles W. J. Withers, p.46- The Secrets of a Long Life: The Dutch Firm of Covens & Mortier (1685--1866) and Their Copper Plates. Marco van Egmond, p.67- Sacred, But Not Surveyed: Nineteenth-Century Surveys of Palestine. Haim Goren, p.87- Emmanuel de Martonne and the Ethnographical Cartography of Central Europe (1917--1920). Gilles Palsky, p.111- SHORTER ARTICLES Topographical Prints through the Zograscope. Erin C. Blake, p.120- A Russian Naval Officer's Map of Haifa Bay (1772). Mitia Frumin, Rehav Rubin and Dov Gavish, p.125- W. W. deLacy's 1865 Map of the Territory of Montana. Richard L. Saunders, p.129- The 19th International Conference on the History of Cartography: Report. Neil Safier, p.135- OBITUARY David Beers Quinn (1909--2002). Glyndwr Williams, p.142- BOOK REVIEWS, p.144- The New Nature of Maps. Essays in the History of Cartography. By John Brian Harley, edited by Paul Laxton, introduction by J. H. Andrews. (Jeremy Black) Plantejaments i objectius d'una història universal de la cartografia / Appro aches and Challenges in a Worldwide History of Cartography. By David Woodward, Catherine Delano-Smith, and Cordell D. K. Yee. (Jeremy W. Crampton) Reality as Representation: The Semiotics of Cartography and the Generation of Meaning. By Emanuela Casti, translated by Jeremy Scott. (Barbara Belyea) Seeing through Maps: The Power of Images to Shape Our World View. By Ward L. Kaiser and Denis Wood. (Vincent Virga) The World According to the Newest and Most Exact Observation: Mapping Art and Science. By Susan Bender and Ian Berry, with Bernard Possidente and Richard Wilkinson. (Vincent Virga) Voir la terre. Six essais sur le paysage et la géographie. By Jean-Marc Besse. (Neil Safier) Segni e sogni della terra: il disegno del mondo dal mito di Atlante alla geografia delle reti. (David Woodward) The Hereford Map: A Transcription and Translation of the Legends with Commentary. By Scott D. Westrem. (Evelyn Edson) Münchner Portolankarten: `Kunstmann I--XIII' und zehn weitere Portolankarten/ Munich Portolan Charts: `Kunstmann I--XIII' and Ten Further Portolan Charts. By Ivan Kupcík. (Richard Pflederer) Giovanni Caboto e le vie dell'Atlantico Settentrionale: Atti del Convegno Internazionale di Studi, Roma, 29 settembre--1 ottobre 1997. Edited by Marcella Arca Petrucci and Simonetta Conti. (Francesc Ll. Albardaner) The Geographical Imagination in America, 1880--1950. By Susan Schulten. (Martin S. Kenzer) This Land Is Your Land: The Geographic Evolution of the United States. By Seymour I. Schwartz. (Paul D. McDermott) Representing the Republic: Mapping the United States, 1600--1900. By John Rennie Short. (Ralph E. Ehrenberg) New England in Early Printed Maps, 1513--1800: An Illustrated Carto-Bibliography. Compiled by Barbara Backus McCorkle. (Patricia Molen van Ee) La Gran Línea: Mapping the United States--Mexico Boundary, 1849--1857. By Paula Rebert. (W. Michael Mathes) Frontier Metropolis: Picturing Early Detroit, 1701--1838. By Brian Leigh Dunnigan. (Alberta Gjertine Auringer Wood) L'Atelier Delisle: l'Amérique du Nord sur la table à dessin. By Nelson-Martin Dawson with the collaboration of Charles Vincent. (Mary Sponberg Pedley) Sir Francis Drake's Secret Voyage to the Northwest Coast of America, AD 1579. By Samuel Bawlf. (Frances M. Woodward) Urban Images of the Hispanic World, 1493--1793. By Richard Kagan. (David Buisseret) The Nation Survey'd: Timothy Pont's Maps of Scotland. Edited by Ian C. Cunningham. (Bruce Proudfoot) Maps and the Writing of Space in Early Modern England and Ireland. By Bernhard Klein. (J. H. Andrews) The Map Trade in the Late Eighteenth Century: Letters to the London Map Sellers Jefferys & Faden. Edited by Mary Pedley. (Matthew H. Edney) Imaginary Cartographies: Possession and Identity in Late Medieval Marseille. By Daniel Lord Smail. (Josef W. Konvitz) Idrísí aus Sizilien. Der Einfluß eines arabischen Wissenschaftlers auf die Entwicklung der europäischen Geographie. By Carsten Drecoll. (Sonja Brentjes) Holy Land in Maps. Edited by Ariel Tishby. (Kenneth Nebenzahl) Qing Colonial Enterprise: Ethnography and Cartography in Early Modern China. By Laura Hostetler. (Cordell D. K. Yee) The Search for the Inland Sea: John Oxley, Explorer, 1783---1828. By Richard Johnson. (Gregory C. Eccleston) Mapping and Naming the Moon: A History of Lunar Cartography and Nomenclature. By Ewen A. Whitaker. (Christian Jacob) The Map That Changed the World: William Smith and the Birth of Modern Geology. By Simon Winchester. (Karen Severud Cook) Shorter Notices, p.167 CHRONICLE FOR 2001-2002, p.171- 1. Personal News - 2. Conferences and Meetings - 3. Institutional and General News [see sample (from the 2001 volume)] - 4. Exhibitions - 5. Notable Acquisitions - 6. Unusual Items That Have Come Up for Sale BIBLIOGRAPHY, p.186- Literature in the History of Cartography published in 1999 to 2001 (with Indexes) _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f From: "tony campbell" To: "*Lismaps" , "*MapHist" , "*Maps-L" , "*Liber-GdC" Subject: [MapHist] 'Maps and Society' lecture programme Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:22:36 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 'Maps and Society' Lectures =================== Lectures in the history of cartography convened by Tony Campbell (formerly Map Library, British Library) and Catherine Delano Smith (Institute of Historical Research, University of London). Meetings are held at the Warburg Institute, University of London, Woburn Square, London WC1H OAB, at 5.00 pm on a Thursday. Admission is free and each meeting is followed by refreshments. All are most welcome. Enquiries: +44 (0)20 8346 5112 (Catherine Delano Smith) or Tony Campbell < t.campbell@ockendon.clara.co.uk >. The full programme is also available at < http://ihr.sas.ac.uk/maps/warburgprog.html >. TWELFTH SERIES Programme for 2002-2003 2002 October 24. Dr. Michael Charlesworth (Department of Art and Art History, University of Texas at Austin). The panoramic idea and mapping in Britain, 1740-1820. Talk sponsored by The Hakluyt Society ----------------------------------- November 21. Peter Riviere (Linacre College, University of Oxford). The Schomburgk Line and the creation of 19th century British Guiana. December 5. Dr Brian Dunnigan (Clements Library, Michigan University). Frontier iconographies: Mapping and imaging developing urban space in colonial North America. 2003 January 23. Professor Mike Heffernan (Department of Geography, University of Nottingham). From Russia with love? A Tsarist map of France and the Paris Exposition Universelle of 1900. February 13. Dr Jeremy Johns and Dr Emilie Savage-Smith (Oriental Institute, University of Oxford). The Book of Curiosities: A newly-discovered series of medieval Islamic maps. March 20. Dr Edwina Proudfoot (Department of Archaeology, University of St Andrews). John Geddy's map of St Andrews (1580): A past and future framework. May 1. Réné Tebel (German Maritime Museum, Bremerhaven,Germany). The signficance of the ship image on early modern maps. May 29. Dr Daniel Connolly (Department of Art History, Western Michigan State University). The performance of history in the itinerary map of Matthew Paris. --------------------------- This programme has been made possible through the generous sponsorship of The International Map Collectors' Society, Jonathan Potter of Jonathan Potter Ltd., and Laurence Worms of Ash Rare Books. It is supported by Imago Mundi: the International Journal for the History of Cartography. Displays for each lecture, at the Royal Geographical Society, are usually arranged by Francis Herbert, Hon. F.R.G.S., but please note that the Map Room and Library at the R.G.S. are closed until late 2003. _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f From: "Ruth Watson" Subject: [MapHist] J.B. Post's 'mistaken maps' To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.5.7 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 17:12:58 +1000 Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 Dear Maphisters J.B. Post's recent email reminded me of a favourite map incident. Some time ago an american friend came to visit- I then lived in New Zealand- and it being her first time, sported a tourist map of the country. It happened to be a german map that she'd bought in France, so seemed widely available: the "Hildebrand's travel map of New Zealand, 1:2 000 000, with city maps, index to places, tourist information and mileage chart, in English, German and French". It soon caused much amusement at my house to discover a region called Wellington near the Kaimanawa ranges (in the middle of the north island) and similarly, Auckland as a region not too far away, east of Lake Taupo (the cities did have their names in place). A smattering of spelling mistakes created fun for us, but possibly less so for the tourist, and my friend was promptly supplied with more 'correct' maps. This map however has a special place in my heart, but not for the mistakes. When I was next in Germany, I went to the largest bookstore to see if I could find a copy of the map, and in 1995 it was still easily available. What was special about it to me? A simple convention change: this map had west at the top. New Zealand appeared to be 'lying down'. My internalised image of my own country, with north at the top, is that it is tall and narrow with a slightly disturbing hierarchy of cities from 'bottom' to 'top'- Dunedin, Christchurch, Wellington, Auckland. This german map made me see my country differently; west at the top created a single, beautifully huge bay around Cook Strait, from Farewell Spit to New Plymouth (although this perception of the area was likely shared by earlier, seafaring Maori). The East Cape seemed more accessible, whereas Northland trickled off out into the Pacific... and other such adjustments in perspective. The overall impression was that the country looks relaxed, like the mythical pacific islands it so frequently aspires to be. I treasure this map. _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 20:54:40 +1200 From: Michael Ross Subject: RE: [MapHist] J.B. Post's 'mistaken maps' To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 Ruth A wonderful description of Hawaiki. Just like Tasman saw it! Thank you for the vision Michael ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------ Michael Ross Voice: +64.21.897.889 Fax: +64.21.218.2166 michael.ross@clear.net.nz Legal Notice: The information in this electronic mail message is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to, or use of, this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is not authorised. Please delete all copies of this message if you are not the intended addressee. __________________________________________________ > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl [mailto:owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl]On > Behalf Of Ruth Watson > Sent: Tuesday, 24 September 2002 19:13 > To: maphist@geog.uu.nl > Subject: [MapHist] J.B. Post's 'mistaken maps' > > > Dear Maphisters > J.B. Post's recent email reminded me of a favourite map > incident. > > Some time ago an american friend came to visit- I then > lived in New Zealand- and it being her first time, sported > a tourist map of the country. It happened to be a german > map that she'd bought in France, so seemed widely > available: the "Hildebrand's travel map of New Zealand, > 1:2 000 000, with city maps, index to places, tourist > information and mileage chart, in English, German and > French". It soon caused much amusement at my house to > discover a region called Wellington near the Kaimanawa > ranges (in the middle of the north island) and similarly, > Auckland as a region not too far away, east of Lake Taupo > (the cities did have their names in place). A smattering > of spelling mistakes created fun for us, but possibly less > so for the tourist, and my friend was promptly supplied > with more 'correct' maps. > > This map however has a special place in my heart, but not > for the mistakes. When I was next in Germany, I went to > the largest bookstore to see if I could find a copy of the > map, and in 1995 it was still easily available. What was > special about it to me? A simple convention change: this > map had west at the top. New Zealand appeared to be 'lying > down'. My internalised image of my own country, with north > at the top, is that it is tall and narrow with a slightly > disturbing hierarchy of cities from 'bottom' to 'top'- > Dunedin, Christchurch, Wellington, Auckland. This german > map made me see my country differently; west at the top > created a single, beautifully huge bay around Cook Strait, > from Farewell Spit to New Plymouth (although this > perception of the area was likely shared by earlier, > seafaring Maori). The East Cape seemed more accessible, > whereas Northland trickled off out into the Pacific... and > other such adjustments in perspective. The overall > impression was that the country looks relaxed, like the > mythical pacific islands it so frequently aspires to be. I > treasure this map. > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.nl _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f From: F.Herbert@RGS.ORG To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] 'World-wide atlas of modern geography' (1911) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 14:31:54 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 'World-wide atlas of modern geography' (1911)

In relation to a written enquiry from France, could anyone let me know if they have knowledge of a location of the following?  The details below are taken from a colour photocopy, in front of me, of the title-page :-

The world-wide atlas of modern geography, political and physical : containing one hundred and twenty-eight plates and complete index / with an introduction by J. Scott Keltie. - 7th ed. (rev.). - Scales differ. - Edinburgh ; London : W. & A.K. Johnston, MCMXI [1911]

As you may know, the great majority of our atlases and about 95 percent of our maps are now inaccessibly outstored until the end of next year.  The BL Map Library catalogue on CD-ROM lists an earlier 'real' 7th ed. of 1905.  Pete Milne of the National Library of Scotland Map Library informs me that they have the 'real' 7th ed. - but dated 1909!   Resulting from my request of 10 September on 'Lis-maps' Anne Taylor of Cambridge Univ. Library tells me that CUL has the 'real' 7th ed. (1905); the only others responses have come from Nick Millea (Bodleian Libr., Oxford) and Maura O'Connor (Nat. Libr. of Australia).  Will anyone with this particular and specific *revised 7th edition of 1911* (NB) stand up and be counted?

And is anyone working on a carto-bibliography/union catalogue of the Johnstons' 'World-wide atlas of modern geography ...'?  If not - now's your opportunity to compile something really useful and time-saving for other map librarians!

PS: the draw-back is that the enquirer wishes to complete his copy of the 1911 atlas with a photocopy of one plate containing the two maps no. 27 (Switzerland) & no. 28 (Germany).

In hope...
Francis Herbert (Curator of Maps, RGS-IBG)
f.herbert@rgs.org
http://www.rgs.org [see 'Collections'/'Unlocking the Archives']


X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f From: "J.B. Post" To: Subject: [MapHist] Celestial cartography Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 21:17:38 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714
   The recent SCIENCE NEWS had a brief mention of Oliver Morton's MAPPING MARS (Picador, 2002) which seemed to indicate it was a work concentrating on the modern period of remote imaging.  While this is certainly historic, is anyone working on just older renderings of the Red Planet?  Yes, there have been whole books on celestial cartography in general, but many years ago - and this is based strictly on my faulty memory - a publisher, possibly in the Netherlands, proposed issuing A HISTORY OF LUNAR CARTOGRAPHY and A HISTORY OF MARTIAN CARTOGRAPHY.  The Moon volume was published and when I wrote concerning the Mars volume, I was informed that the manuscript didn't meet the publisher's standards and was rejected.  But what a great title.  Someone should use it.
                                                       J. B. Post
 
 X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f From: "Ann Sutherland" Organization: Library Server To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:16:21 +0000 Subject: Re: [MapHist] 'World-wide atlas of modern geography' (1911) X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 Just checked Francis. We have a great many W& AK Johnston items but not this one. Ann From: F.Herbert@RGS.ORG To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] 'World-wide atlas of modern geography' (1911) Date sent: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 14:31:54 +0100 Send reply to: maphist@geog.uu.nl > In relation to a written enquiry from France, could anyone let me know if > they have knowledge of a location of the following? The details below are > taken from a colour photocopy, in front of me, of the title-page :- > > The world-wide atlas of modern geography, political and physical : > containing one hundred and twenty-eight plates and complete index / with an > introduction by J. Scott Keltie. - 7th ed. (rev.). - Scales differ. - > Edinburgh ; London : W. & A.K. Johnston, MCMXI [1911] > > As you may know, the great majority of our atlases and about 95 percent of > our maps are now inaccessibly outstored until the end of next year. The BL > Map Library catalogue on CD-ROM lists an earlier 'real' 7th ed. of 1905. > Pete Milne of the National Library of Scotland Map Library informs me that > they have the 'real' 7th ed. - but dated 1909! Resulting from my request > of 10 September on 'Lis-maps' Anne Taylor of Cambridge Univ. Library tells > me that CUL has the 'real' 7th ed. (1905); the only others responses have > come from Nick Millea (Bodleian Libr., Oxford) and Maura O'Connor (Nat. > Libr. of Australia). Will anyone with this particular and specific *revised > 7th edition of 1911* (NB) stand up and be counted? > > And is anyone working on a carto-bibliography/union catalogue of the > Johnstons' 'World-wide atlas of modern geography ...'? If not - now's your > opportunity to compile something really useful and time-saving for other map > librarians! > > PS: the draw-back is that the enquirer wishes to complete his copy of the > 1911 atlas with a photocopy of one plate containing the two maps no. 27 > (Switzerland) & no. 28 (Germany). > > In hope... > Francis Herbert (Curator of Maps, RGS-IBG) > f.herbert@rgs.org > http://www.rgs.org [see 'Collections'/'Unlocking the > Archives'] > > > Ann Sutherland Map Librarian, Edinburgh University Library 43 George Square Edinburgh EH8 9LJ Tel.+44(0)131 650 3969 email Ann_Sutherland@ed.ac.uk Fax +44 (0)131 650 6863 "Whoever goes in search of anything must come to this, either to say that he has found it, or that it is not to be found, or that he is yet upon the quest" Montaigne _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.7.1 Beta Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 08:25:45 -0400 From: "Edward James Redmond" To: Subject: Re: [MapHist] 'World-wide atlas of modern geography' (1911) Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 Out collections hold three editions including the "seventh edition (revised)". Johnston (W. and A. K.) ltd. [from old catalog] The world-wide atlas of modern geography, political and physical. Edinburgh, 1911.xxv p., 128 p. of col. maps, 98 p. 32 cm. G1019.J67 1911 map55000684 [Seventh edition] 2 Johnston (W. & A. K.) ltd. [from old catalog] The World-wide atlas of modern geography, political and physical, containing one hundred and twelve pages of maps and complete index. Edinburgh and London, W. & A. K. Johnston, Limited [1924] 2 p.l., 112, 56 p. incl. 105 col. maps. 32 cm. G1019.J67 1924 (G&M) unk83028622 Johnston (W., & A. K.), ltd. [from old catalog] The world-wide atlas of modern geography, political and physical, containing one hundred and twenty-eight plates and complete index with an introduction Edinburgh and London, 1900. 1 p.l., xvi, 128, 94 p., 2 front. incl. 128 col. maps. fol. 32 cm. G1019.J67 1900 unk83028636 Edward Redmond Reference Specialist Geography and Map Division Library of Congress 101 Independence Ave, SE Washington, DC 20540-4650 (202) 606-8548 ered@loc.gov >>> sutherlanda@SRV4.LIB.ED.AC.UK 09/25/02 05:16AM >>> Just checked Francis. We have a great many W& AK Johnston items but not this one. Ann From: F.Herbert@RGS.ORG To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] 'World-wide atlas of modern geography' (1911) Date sent: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 14:31:54 +0100 Send reply to: maphist@geog.uu.nl > In relation to a written enquiry from France, could anyone let me know if > they have knowledge of a location of the following? The details below are > taken from a colour photocopy, in front of me, of the title-page :- > > The world-wide atlas of modern geography, political and physical : > containing one hundred and twenty-eight plates and complete index / with an > introduction by J. Scott Keltie. - 7th ed. (rev.). - Scales differ. - > Edinburgh ; London : W. & A.K. Johnston, MCMXI [1911] > > As you may know, the great majority of our atlases and about 95 percent of > our maps are now inaccessibly outstored until the end of next year. The BL > Map Library catalogue on CD-ROM lists an earlier 'real' 7th ed. of 1905. > Pete Milne of the National Library of Scotland Map Library informs me that > they have the 'real' 7th ed. - but dated 1909! Resulting from my request > of 10 September on 'Lis-maps' Anne Taylor of Cambridge Univ. Library tells > me that CUL has the 'real' 7th ed. (1905); the only others responses have > come from Nick Millea (Bodleian Libr., Oxford) and Maura O'Connor (Nat. > Libr. of Australia). Will anyone with this particular and specific *revised > 7th edition of 1911* (NB) stand up and be counted? > > And is anyone working on a carto-bibliography/union catalogue of the > Johnstons' 'World-wide atlas of modern geography ...'? If not - now's your > opportunity to compile something really useful and time-saving for other map > librarians! > > PS: the draw-back is that the enquirer wishes to complete his copy of the > 1911 atlas with a photocopy of one plate containing the two maps no. 27 > (Switzerland) & no. 28 (Germany). > > In hope... > Francis Herbert (Curator of Maps, RGS-IBG) > f.herbert@rgs.org > http://www.rgs.org [see 'Collections'/'Unlocking the > Archives'] > > > Ann Sutherland Map Librarian, Edinburgh University Library 43 George Square Edinburgh EH8 9LJ Tel.+44(0)131 650 3969 email Ann_Sutherland@ed.ac.uk Fax +44 (0)131 650 6863 "Whoever goes in search of anything must come to this, either to say that he has found it, or that it is not to be found, or that he is yet upon the quest" Montaigne _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. 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List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f From: F.Herbert@RGS.ORG To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: RE: [MapHist] 'World-wide atlas of modern geography' (1911) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:17:21 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 Ed: Eureka (emphasis on the 'Eu' = You)! But, having (re-)read my 'PS' at the end of my request, are you willing either to supply, through me, a colour xerox copy of the sought-after plate of 2 maps (whose provenance I shall, of course, credit)? Or shall I now write to the enquirer in France and ask him to contact LC G&M Div. direct - now that you have located (*and checked that the 1911 copy is, in fact, physically on your shelves*) a copy of the correct rev. ed.? Thankyou for all other responses. Francis f.herbert@rgs.org http://www.rgs.org [see 'Collections'/'Unlocking the Archives'] -----Original Message----- From: Edward James Redmond [mailto:ered@loc.gov] Sent: 25 September 2002 13:26 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: Re: [MapHist] 'World-wide atlas of modern geography' (1911) Out collections hold three editions including the "seventh edition (revised)". Johnston (W. and A. K.) ltd. [from old catalog] The world-wide atlas of modern geography, political and physical. Edinburgh, 1911.xxv p., 128 p. of col. maps, 98 p. 32 cm. G1019.J67 1911 map55000684 [Seventh edition] 2 Johnston (W. & A. K.) ltd. [from old catalog] The World-wide atlas of modern geography, political and physical, containing one hundred and twelve pages of maps and complete index. Edinburgh and London, W. & A. K. Johnston, Limited [1924] 2 p.l., 112, 56 p. incl. 105 col. maps. 32 cm. G1019.J67 1924 (G&M) unk83028622 Johnston (W., & A. K.), ltd. [from old catalog] The world-wide atlas of modern geography, political and physical, containing one hundred and twenty-eight plates and complete index with an introduction Edinburgh and London, 1900. 1 p.l., xvi, 128, 94 p., 2 front. incl. 128 col. maps. fol. 32 cm. G1019.J67 1900 unk83028636 Edward Redmond Reference Specialist Geography and Map Division Library of Congress 101 Independence Ave, SE Washington, DC 20540-4650 (202) 606-8548 ered@loc.gov >>> sutherlanda@SRV4.LIB.ED.AC.UK 09/25/02 05:16AM >>> Just checked Francis. We have a great many W& AK Johnston items but not this one. Ann From: F.Herbert@RGS.ORG To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] 'World-wide atlas of modern geography' (1911) Date sent: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 14:31:54 +0100 Send reply to: maphist@geog.uu.nl > In relation to a written enquiry from France, could anyone let me know if > they have knowledge of a location of the following? The details below are > taken from a colour photocopy, in front of me, of the title-page :- > > The world-wide atlas of modern geography, political and physical : > containing one hundred and twenty-eight plates and complete index / with an > introduction by J. Scott Keltie. - 7th ed. (rev.). - Scales differ. - > Edinburgh ; London : W. & A.K. Johnston, MCMXI [1911] > > As you may know, the great majority of our atlases and about 95 percent of > our maps are now inaccessibly outstored until the end of next year. The BL > Map Library catalogue on CD-ROM lists an earlier 'real' 7th ed. of 1905. > Pete Milne of the National Library of Scotland Map Library informs me that > they have the 'real' 7th ed. - but dated 1909! Resulting from my request > of 10 September on 'Lis-maps' Anne Taylor of Cambridge Univ. Library tells > me that CUL has the 'real' 7th ed. (1905); the only others responses have > come from Nick Millea (Bodleian Libr., Oxford) and Maura O'Connor (Nat. > Libr. of Australia). Will anyone with this particular and specific *revised > 7th edition of 1911* (NB) stand up and be counted? > > And is anyone working on a carto-bibliography/union catalogue of the > Johnstons' 'World-wide atlas of modern geography ...'? If not - now's your > opportunity to compile something really useful and time-saving for other map > librarians! > > PS: the draw-back is that the enquirer wishes to complete his copy of the > 1911 atlas with a photocopy of one plate containing the two maps no. 27 > (Switzerland) & no. 28 (Germany). > > In hope... > Francis Herbert (Curator of Maps, RGS-IBG) > f.herbert@rgs.org > http://www.rgs.org [see 'Collections'/'Unlocking the > Archives'] > > > Ann Sutherland Map Librarian, Edinburgh University Library 43 George Square Edinburgh EH8 9LJ Tel.+44(0)131 650 3969 email Ann_Sutherland@ed.ac.uk Fax +44 (0)131 650 6863 "Whoever goes in search of anything must come to this, either to say that he has found it, or that it is not to be found, or that he is yet upon the quest" Montaigne _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. 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The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f From: F.Herbert@RGS.ORG To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: RE: [MapHist] 'World-wide atlas of modern geography' (1911) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:34:54 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 ... or forward direct to you his letter to us, for you to act upon? Francis f.herbert@rgs.org -----Original Message----- From: Francis Herbert Sent: 25 September 2002 15:17 To: 'maphist@geog.uu.nl' Subject: RE: [MapHist] 'World-wide atlas of modern geography' (1911) Ed: Eureka (emphasis on the 'Eu' = You)! But, having (re-)read my 'PS' at the end of my request, are you willing either to supply, through me, a colour xerox copy of the sought-after plate of 2 maps (whose provenance I shall, of course, credit)? Or shall I now write to the enquirer in France and ask him to contact LC G&M Div. direct - now that you have located (*and checked that the 1911 copy is, in fact, physically on your shelves*) a copy of the correct rev. ed.? Thankyou for all other responses. Francis f.herbert@rgs.org http://www.rgs.org [see 'Collections'/'Unlocking the Archives'] -----Original Message----- From: Edward James Redmond [mailto:ered@loc.gov] Sent: 25 September 2002 13:26 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: Re: [MapHist] 'World-wide atlas of modern geography' (1911) Out collections hold three editions including the "seventh edition (revised)". Johnston (W. and A. K.) ltd. [from old catalog] The world-wide atlas of modern geography, political and physical. Edinburgh, 1911.xxv p., 128 p. of col. maps, 98 p. 32 cm. G1019.J67 1911 map55000684 [Seventh edition] 2 Johnston (W. & A. K.) ltd. [from old catalog] The World-wide atlas of modern geography, political and physical, containing one hundred and twelve pages of maps and complete index. Edinburgh and London, W. & A. K. Johnston, Limited [1924] 2 p.l., 112, 56 p. incl. 105 col. maps. 32 cm. G1019.J67 1924 (G&M) unk83028622 Johnston (W., & A. K.), ltd. [from old catalog] The world-wide atlas of modern geography, political and physical, containing one hundred and twenty-eight plates and complete index with an introduction Edinburgh and London, 1900. 1 p.l., xvi, 128, 94 p., 2 front. incl. 128 col. maps. fol. 32 cm. G1019.J67 1900 unk83028636 Edward Redmond Reference Specialist Geography and Map Division Library of Congress 101 Independence Ave, SE Washington, DC 20540-4650 (202) 606-8548 ered@loc.gov >>> sutherlanda@SRV4.LIB.ED.AC.UK 09/25/02 05:16AM >>> Just checked Francis. We have a great many W& AK Johnston items but not this one. Ann From: F.Herbert@RGS.ORG To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] 'World-wide atlas of modern geography' (1911) Date sent: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 14:31:54 +0100 Send reply to: maphist@geog.uu.nl > In relation to a written enquiry from France, could anyone let me know if > they have knowledge of a location of the following? The details below are > taken from a colour photocopy, in front of me, of the title-page :- > > The world-wide atlas of modern geography, political and physical : > containing one hundred and twenty-eight plates and complete index / with an > introduction by J. Scott Keltie. - 7th ed. (rev.). - Scales differ. - > Edinburgh ; London : W. & A.K. Johnston, MCMXI [1911] > > As you may know, the great majority of our atlases and about 95 percent of > our maps are now inaccessibly outstored until the end of next year. The BL > Map Library catalogue on CD-ROM lists an earlier 'real' 7th ed. of 1905. > Pete Milne of the National Library of Scotland Map Library informs me that > they have the 'real' 7th ed. - but dated 1909! Resulting from my request > of 10 September on 'Lis-maps' Anne Taylor of Cambridge Univ. Library tells > me that CUL has the 'real' 7th ed. (1905); the only others responses have > come from Nick Millea (Bodleian Libr., Oxford) and Maura O'Connor (Nat. > Libr. of Australia). Will anyone with this particular and specific *revised > 7th edition of 1911* (NB) stand up and be counted? > > And is anyone working on a carto-bibliography/union catalogue of the > Johnstons' 'World-wide atlas of modern geography ...'? If not - now's your > opportunity to compile something really useful and time-saving for other map > librarians! > > PS: the draw-back is that the enquirer wishes to complete his copy of the > 1911 atlas with a photocopy of one plate containing the two maps no. 27 > (Switzerland) & no. 28 (Germany). > > In hope... > Francis Herbert (Curator of Maps, RGS-IBG) > f.herbert@rgs.org > http://www.rgs.org [see 'Collections'/'Unlocking the > Archives'] > > > Ann Sutherland Map Librarian, Edinburgh University Library 43 George Square Edinburgh EH8 9LJ Tel.+44(0)131 650 3969 email Ann_Sutherland@ed.ac.uk Fax +44 (0)131 650 6863 "Whoever goes in search of anything must come to this, either to say that he has found it, or that it is not to be found, or that he is yet upon the quest" Montaigne _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. 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The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.7.1 Beta Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 12:53:50 -0400 From: "Edward James Redmond" To: Subject: RE: [MapHist] 'World-wide atlas of modern geography' (1911) Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 Francis: It may be quicker if I send you the plates (copies, of course) >>> F.Herbert@RGS.ORG 09/25/02 10:34AM >>> ... or forward direct to you his letter to us, for you to act upon? Francis f.herbert@rgs.org -----Original Message----- From: Francis Herbert Sent: 25 September 2002 15:17 To: 'maphist@geog.uu.nl' Subject: RE: [MapHist] 'World-wide atlas of modern geography' (1911) Ed: Eureka (emphasis on the 'Eu' = You)! But, having (re-)read my 'PS' at the end of my request, are you willing either to supply, through me, a colour xerox copy of the sought-after plate of 2 maps (whose provenance I shall, of course, credit)? Or shall I now write to the enquirer in France and ask him to contact LC G&M Div. direct - now that you have located (*and checked that the 1911 copy is, in fact, physically on your shelves*) a copy of the correct rev. ed.? Thankyou for all other responses. Francis f.herbert@rgs.org http://www.rgs.org [see 'Collections'/'Unlocking the Archives'] -----Original Message----- From: Edward James Redmond [mailto:ered@loc.gov] Sent: 25 September 2002 13:26 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: Re: [MapHist] 'World-wide atlas of modern geography' (1911) Out collections hold three editions including the "seventh edition (revised)". Johnston (W. and A. K.) ltd. [from old catalog] The world-wide atlas of modern geography, political and physical. Edinburgh, 1911.xxv p., 128 p. of col. maps, 98 p. 32 cm. G1019.J67 1911 map55000684 [Seventh edition] 2 Johnston (W. & A. K.) ltd. [from old catalog] The World-wide atlas of modern geography, political and physical, containing one hundred and twelve pages of maps and complete index. Edinburgh and London, W. & A. K. Johnston, Limited [1924] 2 p.l., 112, 56 p. incl. 105 col. maps. 32 cm. G1019.J67 1924 (G&M) unk83028622 Johnston (W., & A. K.), ltd. [from old catalog] The world-wide atlas of modern geography, political and physical, containing one hundred and twenty-eight plates and complete index with an introduction Edinburgh and London, 1900. 1 p.l., xvi, 128, 94 p., 2 front. incl. 128 col. maps. fol. 32 cm. G1019.J67 1900 unk83028636 Edward Redmond Reference Specialist Geography and Map Division Library of Congress 101 Independence Ave, SE Washington, DC 20540-4650 (202) 606-8548 ered@loc.gov >>> sutherlanda@SRV4.LIB.ED.AC.UK 09/25/02 05:16AM >>> Just checked Francis. We have a great many W& AK Johnston items but not this one. Ann From: F.Herbert@RGS.ORG To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] 'World-wide atlas of modern geography' (1911) Date sent: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 14:31:54 +0100 Send reply to: maphist@geog.uu.nl > In relation to a written enquiry from France, could anyone let me know if > they have knowledge of a location of the following? The details below are > taken from a colour photocopy, in front of me, of the title-page :- > > The world-wide atlas of modern geography, political and physical : > containing one hundred and twenty-eight plates and complete index / with an > introduction by J. Scott Keltie. - 7th ed. (rev.). - Scales differ. - > Edinburgh ; London : W. & A.K. Johnston, MCMXI [1911] > > As you may know, the great majority of our atlases and about 95 percent of > our maps are now inaccessibly outstored until the end of next year. The BL > Map Library catalogue on CD-ROM lists an earlier 'real' 7th ed. of 1905. > Pete Milne of the National Library of Scotland Map Library informs me that > they have the 'real' 7th ed. - but dated 1909! Resulting from my request > of 10 September on 'Lis-maps' Anne Taylor of Cambridge Univ. Library tells > me that CUL has the 'real' 7th ed. (1905); the only others responses have > come from Nick Millea (Bodleian Libr., Oxford) and Maura O'Connor (Nat. > Libr. of Australia). Will anyone with this particular and specific *revised > 7th edition of 1911* (NB) stand up and be counted? > > And is anyone working on a carto-bibliography/union catalogue of the > Johnstons' 'World-wide atlas of modern geography ...'? If not - now's your > opportunity to compile something really useful and time-saving for other map > librarians! > > PS: the draw-back is that the enquirer wishes to complete his copy of the > 1911 atlas with a photocopy of one plate containing the two maps no. 27 > (Switzerland) & no. 28 (Germany). > > In hope... > Francis Herbert (Curator of Maps, RGS-IBG) > f.herbert@rgs.org > http://www.rgs.org [see 'Collections'/'Unlocking the > Archives'] > > > Ann Sutherland Map Librarian, Edinburgh University Library 43 George Square Edinburgh EH8 9LJ Tel.+44(0)131 650 3969 email Ann_Sutherland@ed.ac.uk Fax +44 (0)131 650 6863 "Whoever goes in search of anything must come to this, either to say that he has found it, or that it is not to be found, or that he is yet upon the quest" Montaigne _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. 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List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f From: "tony campbell" To: "*Maps-L" , "*MapHist" , "*Lismaps" Subject: [MapHist] Errors in 'Maps & Society' programme Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 21:27:59 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 [posted to MapHist, Maps-L and lismaps - please distribute further if you think this appropriate] A short while ago I circulated the programme for the forthcoming 'Maps and Society' lectures in London. Unfortunately, through a careless error, an earlier draft of the programme was used. While the dates, speakers and titles were given correctly, some of the speakers' affiliations were not. The corrected programme follows. The webpage has also been altered. With sincere apologies to the speakers affected by this mistake. Tony Campbell t.campbell@ockendon.clara.co.uk 'Maps and Society' Lectures =================== Lectures in the history of cartography convened by Tony Campbell (formerly Map Library, British Library) and Catherine Delano Smith (Institute of Historical Research, University of London). Meetings are held at the Warburg Institute, University of London, Woburn Square, London WC1H OAB, at 5.00 pm on a Thursday. Admission is free and each meeting is followed by refreshments. All are most welcome. Enquiries: +44 (0)20 8346 5112 (Catherine Delano Smith) or Tony Campbell < t.campbell@ockendon.clara.co.uk >. The full programme is also available at < http://ihr.sas.ac.uk/maps/warburgprog.html >. TWELFTH SERIES Programme for 2002-2003 2002 ------ October 24. Dr. Michael Charlesworth (Department of Art and Art History, University of Texas at Austin). The panoramic idea and mapping in Britain, 1740-1820. Talk sponsored by The Hakluyt Society ------------------------------------------ November 21. Peter Riviere (Linacre College, University of Oxford). The Schomburgk Line and the creation of 19th century British Guiana. December 5. Brian Leigh Dunnigan (William L. Clements Library, University of Michigan). Frontier iconographies: Mapping and imaging developing urban space in colonial North America. 2003 ----- January 23. Professor Mike Heffernan (Department of Geography, University of Nottingham). From Russia with love? A Tsarist map of France and the Paris Exposition Universelle of 1900. February 13. Dr Jeremy Johns and Dr Emilie Savage-Smith (The Oriental Institute, University of Oxford). The Book of Curiosities: A newly-discovered series of medieval Islamic maps. March 20. Edwina Proudfoot (St Andrews Heritage Services, St Andrews). John Geddy's map of St Andrews (1580): A past and future framework. May 1. René Tebel (Doctoral candidate, University of Vienna). The signficance of the ship image on early modern maps from the 10th to the 17th centuries. May 29. Dr Daniel Connolly (Franke Humanities Institute, University of Chicago). The performance of history in the itinerary map of Matthew Paris. -------------------------- This programme has been made possible through the generous sponsorship of The International Map Collectors' Society, Jonathan Potter of Jonathan Potter Ltd., and Laurence Worms of Ash Rare Books. It is supported by Imago Mundi: the International Journal for the History of Cartography. Displays for each lecture, at the Royal Geographical Society, are arranged by Francis Herbert, Hon. F.R.G.S. Note that the Society's Map Room and Library are closed until late 2003, although both the Picture Library and Archives remain open. _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f From: "J.B. Post" To: Subject: [MapHist] Map exhibit Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 17:57:29 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714
   Today, I made the trek to Lancaster (PA, US) to see the exhibit "Putting Lancaster on the Map" at the Lancaster County Historical Society (230 N. President Ave., Lancaster, PA 17603).  Since I also included a stop at the Heritage Map Museum in Lititz (a few miles north), a few bookstores, and Pennsylvania Dutch food, the trip was worthwhile.  The exhibit was well done and gets high marks for map outreach, though curators of major collections would mutter "got that" some of the time.  The exhibit catalog is most of the Summer 2002 (vol.104, no.2) issue of JOURNAL OF THE LANCASTER COUNTY HISTORICAL SOCIETY and cost $5 on the spot.  E-mail address for the Society is mailto:lchs@ptd.net .
 
                   J. B. Post
 
 X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 15:01:52 +1000 Subject: Re: [MapHist] Celestial cartography From: Ruth Watson To: Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 Re: [MapHist] Celestial cartography Dear J.B. Post
Robert Markley, formerly of the University of West Virginia, has produced a CD-Rom on Mars that contains some historical material- we had a discussion about the Schiaparelli globe of Mars at a conference a year back. A google search under his name would surely produce the CD-Rom reference, as I know he has moved universities since (to Illinois) and I'm unsure of his contact information.
best
Ruth Watson

And, P.S. to James Jeffery: the west at the top Aotearoa map- I'll try to send a jpeg to the Maphist website, as a private reply to your own email bounced back.


on 25/9/02 11:17 AM, J.B. Post at jbpost@NETREACH.NET wrote:

  The recent SCIENCE NEWS had a brief mention of Oliver Morton's MAPPING MARS (Picador, 2002) which seemed to indicate it was a work concentrating on the modern period of remote imaging.  While this is certainly historic, is anyone working on just older renderings of the Red Planet?  Yes, there have been whole books on celestial cartography in general, but many years ago - and this is based strictly on my faulty memory - a publisher, possibly in the Netherlands, proposed issuing A HISTORY OF LUNAR CARTOGRAPHY and A HISTORY OF MARTIAN CARTOGRAPHY.  The Moon volume was published and when I wrote concerning the Mars volume, I was informed that the manuscript didn't meet the publisher's standards and was rejected.  But what a great title.  Someone should use it.
                                                      J. B. Post


X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f X-Sender: maphist@mail.maphist.nl (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 18:40:16 +0200 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl (by way of List-owner MapHist ) Subject: [MapHist] 2003 Nolli Conference Rome - Dr. Woodward X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pop.geog.uu.nl id SAA25150 Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 Non-member submission from [Michelle Lafoe ] (four other messages to follow, all arived while I was in Nuremberg for the Kartographiehistorisches Colloquium and the Coronelli Symposium. Peter) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:38:50 -0700 Dear Maphist listserve director, Dr. Woodward, our keynote speaker, forwarded your email address so that I could ask you to list the information about our upcoming Nolli Conference in Rome, Italy, from May 31 - June 2, 2003. The abstract submission deadline is November 1, 2002. I would greatly appreciate it if you could post the following information on your listserve and forward it to other interested people and organizations. Thank you. Sincerely, Michelle LaFoe Conference Co-ordinator, The Studium Urbis Research Center Rome http://www.studiumurbis.org ___________________________________________________________________________ Dear Colleague - “GIAMBATTISTA NOLLI, IMAGO URBIS, AND ROME” We are pleased to announce the 2003 International Conference to be held at the Studium Urbis Research Center in Rome, Italy from May 31-June 2. The conference is organized by Dr. Allan Ceen and Michelle R. LaFoe, co-ordinated by the Studium Urbis Rome, and co-hosted by the American Academy in Rome. Conference information is available at http://www.studiumurbis.org/menu/conferences.html. Printed materials will soon be available and may be requested. Any questions may be directed to Dr. Allan Ceen (a.ceen@flashnet.it) or Michelle R. LaFoe (mlafoe@mindspring.com). Abstract submission deadline: November 1, 2002. Keynote Speaker: Dr. David Woodward Arthur H. Robinson Professor of Geography Emeritus, The University of Wisconsin Madison and Editor, History of Cartography Series CALL FOR PAPERS AND PRESENTATIONS Although Giambattista Nolli’s contribution to art, architecture, and urban planning has often been overlooked in favor of his better-known colleagues from the 18 th century, Nolli’s work, in particular his 1748 Pianta Grande, continues to play a key role in the study of Rome and other cities. The focus of the conference will be Nolli’s work, his forebearers, and the people, architectural forms, and cities he influenced. The aim of the conference is to provide a forum to discuss and disseminate creative ideas on the historical significance and contemporary relevance of Giambattista Nolli and his 1748 plan-map of Rome. Of the major graphics experts of the late Settecento, Giambattista Nolli has been given less attention than his contemporaries and sometime collaborators Giambattista Piranesi and Giuseppe Vasi. Perhaps this is due to the fact that his reputation rests largely on his principal opus, the 1748 Nolli Plan (Pianta Grande di Roma). Often referred to as a ‘figure-ground’ plan by designers and architects, the plan is a depiction of the spatial continuum that constitutes the public city rather than being the standard representation of the city as isolated blocks and monuments. Nolli’s plan was the first to make the distinction between true north and magnetic north and was the first to distinguish ancient remains from contemporary buildings with graphic clarity. As a result, the Nolli Plan remained the model for nearly all the later maps of Rome until the 20th century and has greatly influenced designers, planners, artists, historians, educators, civic leaders, and architects. Piranesi and Vasi used the image as a source for their architectural views, as did Colin Rowe for his well-known Roma Interrotta Exhibition of 1978. Currently, the advancement of multimedia and digital technologies have allowed several inter-disciplinary educational research groups, such as at Cornell University and Princeton University, to employ the Nolli plan as a base for use with these technologies to approach instruction and learning in new ways that explore the rich contextual relationship of architecture and urban form in Rome. We invite contributions from practitioners, scholars, and graduate students in a wide range of disciplines: architecture, urban design, art & architectural history, cartography, landscape architecture, visual studies, computer imagery & applications, and Roman history, just to name a few. Abstracts can focus on completed design projects and/or historical research, or on projects in-progress. Papers and presentations in both Italian and English will be accepted. Papers presented will be included in the Conference Proceedings, which we aim to complete in early 2004. Themes that might be addressed include the following: The Nolli plan & urban form in Rome Predecessors to G. B. Nolli and precedents to his 1748 Plan of Rome History of urban cartography / topography in Rome The history & development of the ichnographic plan G. B. Nolli & his contemporaries The relationship of Nolli & Piranesi’s work 18th century printmaking in Rome Architectural view and mapmaking Prints and their relationship to developments in architecture and urban planning in Rome Ancient Roman ruins, 18th century archaeology, and visual representation Subsequent influence of Nolli on map making, design, and other works The role of the Nolli in the ‘Roma Interrotta’ 1978 Exhibition The Nolli Plan and the work of 20th century designers, architects, and planners Contemporary applications of the Nolli Plan Computer visualization, digital technology, and the Nolli plan Mapping Rome Abstracts of no more than 500 words should be sent to M. LaFoe by November 1, 2002. Electronic submissions are preferred: mlafoe@mindspring.com Michelle R. LaFoe 5208 SE Lincoln St., Portland, OR. 97215 USA We will acknowledge all abstract submissions with an email confirmation. If you have not received this email confirmation within a week of submission, please contact M. LaFoe. _____________________________________________________ The Studium Urbis Research Center Architecture & Urban Planning in Rome Centro ricerca topografica di Roma Via di Montoro 24 ­ 00186 Rome, Italy (near Pza. Farnese) Dr. Allan Ceen, Director / direttore http://www.studiumurbis.org t: 06-686-1191 (Roma) _____________________________________________________ _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f X-Sender: maphist@mail.maphist.nl (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 18:42:23 +0200 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl (by way of List-owner MapHist ) Subject: [MapHist] Paris Journee d'etude Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 This message was not distributed because of an illegal header. Peter Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 11:50:26 +0200 From: Palsky The 'History of Cartography' section of the French Comittee of Cartography organizes its annual meeting at the Musee de la Marine in Paris, October 22. Entrance is free. Detailed program below. N.B. to Tony : I am afraid that the organisers of the Chateau de Grignan's meeting ignored that Imago Mundi was the title of a review about early cartography. They just used, innocently, the latin expression. Their subtitle, Le Monde des Cartes, is also the name of the review of the French Comittee of Cartography Comite Fran=E7ais de Cartographie Commission Histoire de la Cartographie* Journ=E9e d'=E9tude sur l'histoire de la cartographie PAR TERRES ET PAR MERS CARTOGRAPHIE ET VOYAGE Mardi 22 octobre 2002 =E0 partir de 9h30 Mus=E9e national de la Marine Palais de Chaillot 75116 Paris Auditorium, aile Passy (acc=E8s par les jardins du Trocadero, boulevard Delessert) Matin, 9h30: - Francesc Relano: La repr=E9sentation du Bresil dans la cartographie portugaise du XVIe siecle. - Manonmani Filliozat: D'Apres de Mannevillette et la cartographie de la nouvelle route de l'Inde - Helene Richard: La preparation cartographique des voyages de la fin du XVIIIe siecle (La Perouse, d'Entrecasteaux), - Helene Blais: Qui dresse la carte? La controverse entre savants et voyageurs au XIXe siecle. Apres-Midi, 14h00 - Bertrand Hirsch: Voyageurs ethiopiens en Europe aux XIVe et XVe siecles. Cartographie et echange des savoirs. - C=E9cile Souchon: L=92itineraire de Paris =E0 Soissons en 1728. - Guelton(Colonel): Deux officiers de Napoleon au Maghreb : les missions du capitaine Boutin en Alg=E9rie et du capitaine Burel au Maroc (1808-1810) - Pascal Pannetier: L=92aube des cartes routieres automobiles (1880-1900) L'acc=E8s aux conferences est libre. * La commission 'Histoire de la cartographie' rassemble des chercheurs et des universitaires, des archivistes et des conservateurs de depots de cartes et plans et toutes personnes s'interessant aux cartes anciennes. Elle organise regulierement des colloques thematiques avec l'appui d'institutions culturelles et patrimoniales. Contacts : H. Richard : 01 53 79 83 69 (helene.richard@bnf.fr) G. Palsky : 01 45 17 11 47 (palsky@univ-paris12.fr) ******************************************************************= ************ Gilles Palsky Universite de Paris XII-Val de Marne Departement de Geographie 61 av. du General de Gaulle 94010 Creteil cedex (France) t=E9l. : 01 45 17 11 85 Fax : 01 45 17 11 85 Epistemologie et Histoire de la Geographie UMR 8504 CNRS - Paris I - Paris VII 13 rue du Four 75006 Paris t=E9l : 01 43 54 07 06 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>= >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>= >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>= Peter van der Krogt List-owner MapHist List-info: http://www.maphist.nl _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f X-Sender: maphist@mail.maphist.nl (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 18:44:00 +0200 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl (by way of List-owner MapHist ) Subject: RE: [MapHist] Celestial cartography Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 This message was not distributed because of an illegal header. Peter From: "Judith Tyner" Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 20:37:1 -0700 If anyone is interested in this subject, in 1963, I wrote my masters thesis titled "Lunar Cartography: 1610-1962" in the Department of Geography at UCLA. At that time my name was Judith Zink. It was a history of lunar mapping. An article I wrote on the same subject appeared in the journal "Surveying and Mapping" in December 1969. Its title was "Early Lunar Cartography." ----- Original Message ----- From: J.B. Post To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Sent: 9/24/2002 6:17:38 PM Subject: [MapHist] Celestial cartography The recent SCIENCE NEWS had a brief mention of Oliver Morton's MAPPING MARS (Picador, 2002) which seemed to indicate it was a work concentrating on the modern period of remote imaging. While this is certainly historic, is anyone working on just older renderings of the Red Planet? Yes, there have been whole books on celestial cartography in general, but many years ago - and this is based strictly on my faulty memory - a publisher, possibly in the Netherlands, proposed issuing A HISTORY OF LUNAR CARTOGRAPHY and A HISTORY OF MARTIAN CARTOGRAPHY. The Moon volume was published and when I wrote concerning the Mars volume, I was informed that the manuscript didn't meet the publisher's standards and was rejected. But what a great title. Someone should use it. J. B. Post --- Judith Tyner --- jztyner@earthlink.net --- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet. Peter van der Krogt List-owner MapHist List-info: http://www.maphist.nl _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f X-Sender: maphist@mail.maphist.nl (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 18:44:58 +0200 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl (by way of List-owner MapHist ) Subject: Re: [MapHist] Celestial cartography Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 Non-member submission from [Phil Stooke ] Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 08:05:58 -0400 Regarding a History of Martian Cartography: The only book I know devoted entirely to that topic, and an excellent one, is: Mars and Its Satellites. A detailed commentary on the nomenclature. Blunck, J., Smithtown, NY: Exposition Press, 2 editions, 1977 and 1982. While its main focus is the names of craters and other features, it describes mapping in considerable detail, though now of course rather dated. The new book may serve to remedy that fault. Too often, though, people these days refer to mere photographic coverage as mapping, and as I have not seen the new book I cannot comment on its value for cartographic history. I will, however, accept a review copy from any publisher who cares to send me one! Phil Stooke Cartographer to the Stars Department of Geography University of Western Ontario London, Ontario, Canada N6A 5C2 > "J.B. Post" wrote: > > The recent SCIENCE NEWS had a brief mention of Oliver Morton's > MAPPING MARS (Picador, 2002) which seemed to indicate it was a work > concentrating on the modern period of remote imaging. While this is > certainly historic, is anyone working on just older renderings of the > Red Planet? Yes, there have been whole books on celestial cartography > in general, but many years ago - and this is based strictly on my > faulty memory - a publisher, possibly in the Netherlands, proposed > issuing A HISTORY OF LUNAR CARTOGRAPHY and A HISTORY OF MARTIAN > CARTOGRAPHY. The Moon volume was published and when I wrote > concerning the Mars volume, I was informed that the manuscript didn't > meet the publisher's standards and was rejected. But what a great > title. Someone should use it. > J. B. Post > Peter van der Krogt List-owner MapHist List-info: http://www.maphist.nl _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f X-Sender: maphist@mail.maphist.nl (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 18:49:11 +0200 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl (by way of List-owner MapHist ) Subject: [MapHist] Ortelius question Cc: lesleyp@ualberta.ca Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 Non-member submission from [lesleyp ] (P.S. As soon as I have more time, I'll try to give an answer myself, Peter) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 11:01:18 -0600 I'm very new to the whole field of early modern maps, being a grad student in English (early modern drama). But one thing has led to another in my research, and now I find myself needing to know the following: where can I find out about the reception of Ortelius's atlases in the 16th century? What I particularly hope to find out about is whether it was common to refer to his atlases by alternative titles. One of the English writers I'm working on refers to Ortelius's atlas as _Le Mirroir du Monde_, but the only edition I can find with that title, the 8vo edition published in Antwerp in 1598, is almost certainly NOT the edition she refers to. Other evidence strongly suggests that her reference to Ortelius was made before 1598, and that she was using the 1587 8vo edition which, like all the others (in various languages), was called _Le Theatre du Monde_. However, the permission to publish the 1587 _Theatre_, as printed in the back of that edition, refers to the text as _Le Mirroir du Monde_, 11 years before the earliest edition I can find which actually uses that title. Were the two terms used interchangeably in an informal way? (Given the theatre-mirror connection common to the time that wouldn't surprise me.) Or are there editions called _Mirroir_, published before 1598, which I just haven't come across a record of? Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Lesley Peterson The fine arts are five in number, namely: painting, sculpture, poetry, music, and architecture, the principal branch of the latter being pastry. - Antonin Careme Peter van der Krogt List-owner MapHist List-info: http://www.maphist.nl _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 20:16:40 +0200 From: ad en nicole meskens van der auwera User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: nl-BE,en To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: Re: [MapHist] Ortelius question Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 Dear Lesley, About the Ortelius editions: the history of the Miroir begins with a book in Dutch (which may interest you as you are a student of letters). In 1577 Philip Galle published 'Spieghel der werelt gestelt in ryme door m. Peeter Heyns'. (Mirror of the world, put into rhyme by Peter Heyns). The book, by the way, was printedn the Plantin Presses. This was a 'pocket' edition of the Theatrum. Apparently Galle and o Heyns published this atlas without the consent of Ortelius, indeed he did not know this enterprise was being undertaken. At the time of the publication Ortelius had fled Antwerp after the Spanish Fury had devastated the city (1576) and had gone to England, whereafter they travelled throughout Europe. Two years later in 1579 a French edition was published by Philip Galle 'Le miroir du monde reduict premierement en rithme brabançonne, par m. P. Heyns'. Again they were printed by Plantin who recieved 33 guilders for 500 copies. Plantin then paid Galle 450 guilders for all 500 copies. Both the Spieghel and Miroir thereafter appeared in numerous editions, sometimes with the title 'Epitome du theatre du monde'. For more information I would refer you to C. KOEMAN, Atlantes neerlandici, which is a catalogue of Flemish and Dutch atlasses of the 16th and 17th centuries. You can also contact the Museum Plantin Moretus directly. This Museum probably has the finest collection of Ortelius atlasses (or 16th century books for that matter) in the world. (www.dma.be; click on the Union Jack; click on Arts and Culture where you will find a link tot the Museum) . The curator of an exhibition on Ortelius and the editor of the accompanying book is Dirk Imhof. Please contact him with my regards. Sincerely, Ad Meskens by way of List-owner MapHist wrote: > Non-member submission from [lesleyp ] > > (P.S. As soon as I have more time, I'll try to give an answer myself, > Peter) > > Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 11:01:18 -0600 > > I'm very new to the whole field of early modern maps, being a grad > student in > English (early modern drama). But one thing has led to another in my > research, > and now I find myself needing to know the following: where can I find out > about the reception of Ortelius's atlases in the 16th century? What I > particularly hope to find out about is whether it was common to refer > to his > atlases by alternative titles. One of the English writers I'm working on > refers to Ortelius's atlas as _Le Mirroir du Monde_, but the only > edition I > can find with that title, the 8vo edition published in Antwerp in > 1598, is > almost certainly NOT the edition she refers to. Other evidence strongly > suggests that her reference to Ortelius was made before 1598, and that > she was > using the 1587 8vo edition which, like all the others (in various > languages), > was called _Le Theatre du Monde_. However, the permission to publish > the 1587 > _Theatre_, as printed in the back of that edition, refers to the text > as _Le > Mirroir du Monde_, 11 years before the earliest edition I can find which > actually uses that title. Were the two terms used interchangeably in an > informal way? (Given the theatre-mirror connection common to the time > that > wouldn't surprise me.) Or are there editions called _Mirroir_, published > before 1598, which I just haven't come across a record of? > > Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. > > Lesley Peterson > > The fine arts are five in number, namely: painting, sculpture, poetry, > music, and architecture, the principal branch of the latter being pastry. > - Antonin Careme > > > Peter van der Krogt > List-owner MapHist > > List-info: http://www.maphist.nl > > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.nl > > > _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f X-Sender: maphist@mail.maphist.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 11:49:37 +0200 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Peter van der Krogt Subject: Re: [MapHist] Ortelius question X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pop.geog.uu.nl id LAA10137 Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 Dear Lesley and Ad Thanks Ad for answering this Ortelius question. An addition is that there are two editions of the Miroir du Monde, dated 1598, the one published in Antwerp by Filips Galle, and the one published in Amsterdam by Zacharias Heyns (with woodcut maps). Furthermore I can say that I am almost finished with volume 3 of the new edition of the Atlantes Neerlandici: in this volume among others all Ortelius atlases (Theatrum- and Epitome-editions) will be included. The publication is planned for January or February 2003. Btw, earlier I asked the list for copies of the 1574 French edition of Ortelius's Theatrum, of which the only known copy was auctioned at Sotheby's in 1982. I am happy to inform the list that I finally have located - and seen - two copies of this atlas, one of them in Nuremberg where I was the last two weeks for the symposiums, the other in northern France (I made a detour for that one coming back from Nuremberg). Peter van der Krogt At 20:16 27-9-2002, you wrote: >Dear Lesley, >About the Ortelius editions: the history of the Miroir begins with a book >in Dutch (which may interest you as you are a student of letters). In 1577 >Philip Galle published 'Spieghel der werelt gestelt in ryme door m. Peeter >Heyns'. (Mirror of the world, put into rhyme by Peter Heyns). The book, by >the way, was printedn the Plantin Presses. This was a 'pocket' edition of >the Theatrum. Apparently Galle and o Heyns published this atlas without >the consent of Ortelius, indeed he did not know this enterprise was being >undertaken. At the time of the publication Ortelius had fled Antwerp after >the Spanish Fury had devastated the city (1576) and had gone to England, >whereafter they travelled throughout Europe. >Two years later in 1579 a French edition was published by Philip Galle 'Le >miroir du monde reduict premierement en rithme brabançonne, par m. P. >Heyns'. Again they were printed by Plantin who recieved 33 guilders for >500 copies. Plantin then paid Galle 450 guilders for all 500 copies. >Both the Spieghel and Miroir thereafter appeared in numerous editions, >sometimes with the title 'Epitome du theatre du monde'. >For more information I would refer you to C. KOEMAN, Atlantes neerlandici, >which is a catalogue of Flemish and Dutch atlasses of the 16th and 17th >centuries. >You can also contact the Museum Plantin Moretus directly. This Museum >probably has the finest collection of Ortelius atlasses (or 16th century >books for that matter) in the world. (www.dma.be; click on the Union Jack; >click on Arts and Culture where you will find a link tot the Museum) . The >curator of an exhibition on Ortelius and the editor of the accompanying >book is Dirk Imhof. Please contact him with my regards. >Sincerely, >Ad Meskens YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY Dr Peter van der Krogt Map Historian, Explokart Research Program Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht P.O. Box 80.115 3508 TC UTRECHT, The Netherlands e-mail: peter@maphist.nl Homepage: MapHist: Genealogy: Elementymology: Columbus Monuments: YYYYYYYYYYYYYYY PER ANGUSTA AD AUGUSTA YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f X-Sender: maphist@mail.maphist.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 12:12:51 +0200 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Peter van der Krogt Subject: [MapHist] IATO-Atlas Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 Any ideas? (P.S. IATO = Italian Atlas assebled To Order, thus IATO-Atlas is double, and one "a" is missing, should we in future name it a 'IAATO" ?) Peter >From: phm-hs@t-online.de (peter h. meurer) >To: "Peter van der Krogt" >Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 14:37:53 +0200 > >Hi Peter, > >a very simple, but failry difficult question. Do you know who has coined >first the term "IATO-Atlas"? Nobody knows!!. > >mvg > >P.Meurer YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY Dr Peter van der Krogt Map Historian, Explokart Research Program Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht P.O. Box 80.115 3508 TC UTRECHT, The Netherlands e-mail: peter@maphist.nl Homepage: MapHist: Genealogy: Elementymology: Columbus Monuments: YYYYYYYYYYYYYYY PER ANGUSTA AD AUGUSTA YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: mail.modatim.ro From: "Ovidiu Sandor" To: Subject: [MapHist] Ptolemy edition question Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 13:27:22 +0300 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 I am trying to find the correct edition of Ptomely's map called 'NONA EVROPE TABVLA'. The image of the map can be found at http://www.modatim.ro/ovidiu/p.JPG It is cooperplate with the size of 35x42 cm in the upper side and 47 cm in the lower. The edition is obviously an Italian one but I cannot determin the exact one. Any help would be appreciated. Ovidiu Sandor ovidiu@modatim.ro _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 20:39:57 -0500 From: David Woodward Subject: Re: [MapHist] IATO-Atlas To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 George H. Beans first coined this term. I prefer the term Italian composite atlas as some of them may have been put together by the collector, not necessarily by the mapseller, so they wouldn't be "to order." >Any ideas? > >(P.S. IATO = Italian Atlas assebled To Order, thus IATO-Atlas is >double, and one "a" is missing, should we in future name it a >'IAATO" ?) > >Peter > >>From: phm-hs@t-online.de (peter h. meurer) >>To: "Peter van der Krogt" >>Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 14:37:53 +0200 >> >>Hi Peter, >> >>a very simple, but failry difficult question. Do you know who has >>coined first the term "IATO-Atlas"? Nobody knows!!. >> >>mvg >> >>P.Meurer > > >YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY >Dr Peter van der Krogt >Map Historian, Explokart Research Program >Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht >P.O. Box 80.115 >3508 TC UTRECHT, The Netherlands >e-mail: peter@maphist.nl >Homepage: >MapHist: >Genealogy: >Elementymology: >Columbus Monuments: > >YYYYYYYYYYYYYYY PER ANGUSTA AD AUGUSTA YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY > >_______________________________________________________________ >MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. >The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for >the views of the author. >List Information: http://www.maphist.nl -- David Woodward 1443 Mound Street Madison WI 53711-2221 608 251 1074 _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f From: "J.B. Post" To: Subject: [MapHist] MAPPING MARS Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 21:54:01 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714
   Today I had about three minutes to look at a copy of MAPPING MARS and it does have some mention of earlier efforts to map the Red Planet as well as "literary" (science fiction stories) descriptions of Mars.  The impression is still that it concentrates on "modern" mapping of the planet.
 
   One of the messages to the list mentioned a book by Blunk (sp.?) on Martian place names  I think I reviewed the first edition aeons ago and found a typo relating to the coordinate system used.  Can't remember the typo nor where I reviewed it, though.   Hope later editions corrected it.
 
   While speaking ("keyboarding"?) of things Martian, is the language sufficiently degraded that we can use the phrase "Martian geology" without embarrassment?  Would something like "areography" or "areology" even make sense?
 
             J. B. Post
 
 X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 09:36:19 +0200 From: ad & nicole meskens van der auwera User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: nl-BE,en To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: Re: [MapHist] Ortelius question Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 Perhaps just one more addition on the anecdotal level: The Spieghel and Mirroir were 'edited' by Peter Heyns, a schoolmaster in Antwerp and an adamant protestant. It is the friendship of Heyns and Ortelius which caused the latter trouble after the Sacj of Antwerp by the Spaniards in 1585. Heyns fled Antwerp to the Northern Provinces (soon to become the Republic of the United Provinces). Ortelius was put under arrest and was obliged to hand in his weapons (which meant he was not trusted by the catholic authorities). It took Ortelius several months to regain his 'civic rights', to regain these he even tried to bribe members of the higher circles by giving them maps. Although on the surface the relationship between Heyns and Ortelius seemed no more than ordinary friendship between people in the same circles who see a lot of each other there is indeed more: Ortelius' sister Anna Ortels lent a considerable amount of money to Heyns, who mortgaged his houses. ( see my article in De Gulden Passer 1998) Ad Peter van der Krogt wrote: > Dear Lesley and Ad > > Thanks Ad for answering this Ortelius question. > An addition is that there are two editions of the Miroir du Monde, > dated 1598, the one published in Antwerp by Filips Galle, and the one > published in Amsterdam by Zacharias Heyns (with woodcut maps). > > Furthermore I can say that I am almost finished with volume 3 of the > new edition of the Atlantes Neerlandici: in this volume among others > all Ortelius atlases (Theatrum- and Epitome-editions) will be > included. The publication is planned for January or February 2003. > > Btw, earlier I asked the list for copies of the 1574 French edition of > Ortelius's Theatrum, of which the only known copy was auctioned at > Sotheby's in 1982. I am happy to inform the list that I finally have > located - and seen - two copies of this atlas, one of them in > Nuremberg where I was the last two weeks for the symposiums, the other > in northern France (I made a detour for that one coming back from > Nuremberg). > > Peter van der Krogt > > At 20:16 27-9-2002, you wrote: > >> Dear Lesley, >> About the Ortelius editions: the history of the Miroir begins with a >> book in Dutch (which may interest you as you are a student of >> letters). In 1577 Philip Galle published 'Spieghel der werelt gestelt >> in ryme door m. Peeter Heyns'. (Mirror of the world, put into rhyme >> by Peter Heyns). The book, by the way, was printedn the Plantin >> Presses. This was a 'pocket' edition of the Theatrum. Apparently >> Galle and o Heyns published this atlas without the consent of >> Ortelius, indeed he did not know this enterprise was being >> undertaken. At the time of the publication Ortelius had fled Antwerp >> after the Spanish Fury had devastated the city (1576) and had gone to >> England, whereafter they travelled throughout Europe. >> Two years later in 1579 a French edition was published by Philip >> Galle 'Le miroir du monde reduict premierement en rithme brabançonne, >> par m. P. Heyns'. Again they were printed by Plantin who recieved 33 >> guilders for 500 copies. Plantin then paid Galle 450 guilders for >> all 500 copies. >> Both the Spieghel and Miroir thereafter appeared in numerous >> editions, sometimes with the title 'Epitome du theatre du monde'. >> For more information I would refer you to C. KOEMAN, Atlantes >> neerlandici, which is a catalogue of Flemish and Dutch atlasses of >> the 16th and 17th centuries. >> You can also contact the Museum Plantin Moretus directly. This Museum >> probably has the finest collection of Ortelius atlasses (or 16th >> century books for that matter) in the world. (www.dma.be; click on >> the Union Jack; click on Arts and Culture where you will find a link >> tot the Museum) . The curator of an exhibition on Ortelius and the >> editor of the accompanying book is Dirk Imhof. Please contact him >> with my regards. >> Sincerely, >> Ad Meskens > > > > YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY > Dr Peter van der Krogt > Map Historian, Explokart Research Program > Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht > P.O. Box 80.115 > 3508 TC UTRECHT, The Netherlands > e-mail: peter@maphist.nl > Homepage: > MapHist: > Genealogy: > Elementymology: > Columbus Monuments: > > YYYYYYYYYYYYYYY PER ANGUSTA AD AUGUSTA YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY > > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.nl > > > _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f X-Sender: maphist@mail.maphist.nl (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 17:23:03 +0200 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: List-owner MapHist Subject: Re: [MapHist] Ptolemy edition question - corrected url Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 The correct address for the image is http://www.modatim.ro/ovidiu/p.jpg (with lower case jpg). Peter At 12:27 28-9-2002, you wrote: >I am trying to find the correct edition of Ptomely's map called 'NONA EVROPE >TABVLA'. > >The image of the map can be found at http://www.modatim.ro/ovidiu/p.JPG >It is cooperplate with the size of 35x42 cm in the upper side and 47 cm in >the lower. The edition is obviously an Italian one but I cannot determin the >exact one. > >Any help would be appreciated. > >Ovidiu Sandor >ovidiu@modatim.ro > > > >_______________________________________________________________ >MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. >The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for >the views of the author. >List Information: http://www.maphist.nl Peter van der Krogt List-owner MapHist List-info: http://www.maphist.nl _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f From: "Leen Helmink" To: Subject: Re: [MapHist] Ptolemy edition question Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 18:05:22 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 > I am trying to find the correct edition of Ptomely's map called 'NONA EVROPE > TABVLA'. > > The image of the map can be found at http://www.modatim.ro/ovidiu/p.JPG > It is cooperplate with the size of 35x42 cm in the upper side and 47 cm in > the lower. The edition is obviously an Italian one but I cannot determin the > exact one. > > Any help would be appreciated. It is from the Rome edition by Arnold Buckinck, first published 1478 and re-issued in 1490 (Rome, Pietro de la Torre), and finally again in 1507 and 1508 (Rome, Bernadinus Venetus de Vitalibus). The map you show is unaltered in all these editions, and should be blank on verso. According to Skelton, these maps probably pre-date the Bologna 1477 Geographia thus making the Rome 1478 the true first engraved atlas of the world. See Skelton, TOT facsimile re-issue of this atlas, Claudius Ptolemaeus, Cosmographia, Theatrum Orbis Terrarum, Amsterdam, 1966. Kind Regards, Leen Helmink _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f From: "J.B. Post" To: Subject: [MapHist] Article on modern map maker Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 12:16:03 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714
   In today's (29 September 2002) edition of the PHILADELPHIA INQUIRER magazine section on pp.20-23 appears an article on Joel Katz, the chap who designed the "diskmaps" placed around Philadelpha to help visitors find their way.  The article is supposed to be available at http://www.philly.com where one <clicks> on "Inquirer."  I have found the site less than user friendly. 
 
   Katz worked for a time with Richard Saul Wurman, a map designer with whom one can disagree, but one whom one can't ignore.  Wurman's "Access" guides to cities are interesting in their evolution.
 
   But, some of you may ask, why is this information being posted on a site for cartographic history?  I am one of those who believe history is even yesterday and technically an instant ago.  Also, this is the only map list to which I subscribe. 
 
            J. B. Post
 
 X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 19:56:30 +0100 From: Ashley Baynton-Williams Organization: MapForum.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: Re: [MapHist] Ptolemy edition question Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 Sandor & Leen, The map is indeed the one prepared for the 1478 Rome Ptolemy. however, it is also one of three (that I know of) that appears with geographical alterations, while many of the plates show signs of reworking. The states are as follows: State 1: 'BOS / PHO / RVS THRA / CI / VS' is engraved in the 'PROPONTIDIS' west of 'PROECONESVS Island [4d]; 'OS. PONTIO EXTERIVS', only, is named on the north side of the Straits of Marmora [4d] State 2: 'BOSPHORVS / THRACIVS' has been re-engraved in a more correct position in the 'MARE PONTIVM VEL / PONTVS EVXINVM', at the northern end of the strait, with a line to the Straits of Marmora [4d]. The jpg is state 2. While some caution is necessary, I believe the change was made for the 1507 edition. Ashley Baynton-Williams _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f X-Sender: maphist@mail.maphist.nl (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 21:53:02 +0200 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl (by way of List-owner MapHist ) Subject: Re: [MapHist] MAPPING MARS Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 Non-member submission from [pjstooke@uwo.ca] Quoting "J.B. Post" : > While speaking ("keyboarding"?) of things Martian, is the language > sufficiently degraded that we can use the phrase "Martian geology" without > embarrassment? Would something like "areography" or "areology" even make > sense? > > J. B. Post A good question. Language, of course, does not degrade, it evolves, and in this case it has indeed evolved so that one can refer to Martian geology, or indeed lunar geology, without any embarrassment at all. That is the preferred usage. The matter was settled to most peoples' satisfaction early in the Space Age, as such questions began to be considered by large numbers of people. The argument is that GEO does not mean 'the planet Earth', but 'land', in classical usage. The Earth meaning is only an extension of the original. Geography was the study of different lands. Geology is the study of what the land is made of. Geomorphology is the study of the shape of the land, not the shape of the planet, though of course Geodesy reminds us both meanings exist. More to the point, though, if you use selenology and areology for the study of the moon and Mars, you are on a slippery slope. We have examined in detail over 50 worlds now. Will we have 50 terms for their geology? Of course not. So geology it is, and has been for 40 years. This argument was first developed by Luciano B. Ronca of Wayne State University in the early 60s, and reflects common usage ever since. Phil Stooke Department of Geography and Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Western Ontario London, Ontario, Canada N6A 5C2 publish.uwo.ca/~pjstooke _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 08:05:11 -0700 From: "James C. Jeffery III" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: Re: [MapHist] Article on modern map maker Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 My input may be considered to be similar so here goes. On Sept 29, 2002 Studio 360 (www.studio360.org) aired a radio program on the mysteries of maps. Host Kurt Andersen and historian Simon Schma survey the art and imagination behind maps. Spanish novelist Arturo Pérez-Reverte navigates his readers to a sunken treasure. Artist Andra McCartney maps her world with sound, and contemporary pianists remember the complex genius of Glenn Gould. > "J.B. Post" wrote: > > In today's (29 September 2002) edition of the PHILADELPHIA INQUIRER > magazine section on pp.20-23 appears an article on Joel Katz, the chap > who designed the "diskmaps" placed around Philadelpha to help visitors > find their way. The article is supposed to be available at > http://www.philly.com where one on "Inquirer." I have found > the site less than user friendly. > > Katz worked for a time with Richard Saul Wurman, a map designer > with whom one can disagree, but one whom one can't ignore. Wurman's > "Access" guides to cities are interesting in their evolution. > > But, some of you may ask, why is this information being posted on a > site for cartographic history? I am one of those who believe history > is even yesterday and technically an instant ago. Also, this is the > only map list to which I subscribe. > > J. B. Post > _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2.4011 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:36:17 -0400 Subject: [MapHist] Online radio program on maps From: Helen Glazer To: Maphist X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pop.geog.uu.nl id SAA27003 Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 One of my favorite National Public Radio programs, Studio 360, aired a program on theme of maps on Saturday. You can read a description of it and listen online with Real Audio at: http://www.wnyc.org/studio360/show092802.html The show is moderated by Kurt Andersen, former editor of New York magazine. Each week he airs several short pieces that explore a given topic, and in between he discusses them with a guest expert, who in the case of the maps program was Simon Schama. Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Helen Glazer, Webmaster George Glazer Gallery Antique Globes, Maps & Prints http://www.georgeglazer.com helen@georgeglazer.com Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Authentication-Warning: pop.geog.uu.nl: mojo set sender to owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl using -f Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:29:44 -0500 From: WOODWARD David Subject: Re: [MapHist] Online radio program on maps X-Sender: dawoodwa@wiscmail.wisc.edu (Unverified) To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pop.geog.uu.nl id WAA05265 Sender: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 Thanks to Helen Glazer for bringing this to our attention. I listened to it but was once more disappointed how some journalists seem to be fascinated only by what is "wrong" on maps and steer the conversation accordingly. It led to the absurd conclusion that we don't need maps any more because we can see the earth "as it is" from space, implying that the only function of maps is as wayfinding or positioning devices. Grrrr . . . >One of my favorite National Public Radio programs, Studio 360, aired a >program on theme of maps on Saturday. You can read a description of it and >listen online with Real Audio at: >http://www.wnyc.org/studio360/show092802.html > >The show is moderated by Kurt Andersen, former editor of New York magazine. >Each week he airs several short pieces that explore a given topic, and in >between he discusses them with a guest expert, who in the case of the maps >program was Simon Schama. > >Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø > >Helen Glazer, Webmaster >George Glazer Gallery >Antique Globes, Maps & Prints >http://www.georgeglazer.com helen@georgeglazer.com -- David Woodward Editor, History of Cartography 550 North Park Street MADISON WI 53706-1491 Phone: 608 262 0505 Fax: 608 263 0762 http://www.geography.wisc.edu/histcart http://www.geography.wisc.edu/woodward _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl