X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 04:37:54 -0600 Subject: [MapHist] Exciting new find: prehistoric map of South America From: David Woodward To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Dear MapHisters: See the attached link for an illustrated description of an exciting new find: http://www.maphist.nl/illustr.html David Woodward Arthur H. Robinson Professor of Geography Emeritus Editor, History of Cartography 455 Science Hall, 550 North Park Street MADISON WI 53706-1491 608 262-0505 _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. 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List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 12:58:50 +0200 From: piero falchetta User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, sq, be, bg To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: Re: [MapHist] Exciting new find: prehistoric map of South America X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new David Woodward wrote: > Dear MapHisters: > > See the attached link for an illustrated description of an exciting > new find: > > http://www.maphist.nl/illustr.html > David, it was good indeed, but I'm realizing that today it's April's fool! Piero -- Piero Falchetta falchetta@marciana.venezia.sbn.it Ufficio Carte Geografiche Biblioteca Nazionale Marciana, Venezia Tel +39-041-2407224 (direct) +39-041-5208788 (operator) Visit GeoWeb site: http://geoweb.venezia.sbn.it/geoweb/GWindex.html _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "George S. Carhart" Organization: University of Southern Maine To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 08:37:10 -0500 Subject: Re: [MapHist] Exciting new find: prehistoric map of South America X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new hisss!!! gee David I have some good sand stone and some stone chisels, think we can make prehistoric maps of the rest of the world? George On 1 Apr 2003, at 4:37, David Woodward wrote: > Dear MapHisters: > > See the attached link for an illustrated description of an exciting > new find: > > http://www.maphist.nl/illustr.html > > David Woodward > Arthur H. Robinson Professor of Geography Emeritus > Editor, History of Cartography > 455 Science Hall, 550 North Park Street > MADISON WI 53706-1491 > > 608 262-0505 > > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the > author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility > for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl George S. Carhart Cartographic Associate Osher Map Library Smith Center for Cartographic Education University of Southern Maine P.O. Box 9301 Portland, Maine 04104-9301 USA (207) 780-4910 gcarhart@usm.maine.edu _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: bmccork@bluebird.mail.ku.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 09:01:35 -0600 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Barbara McCorkle Subject: Re: [MapHist] Exciting new find: prehistoric map of South America X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Of course it is no coincidence that this Great Discovery is announced on April 1? Barbara At 04:37 AM 4/1/2003 -0600, you wrote: >Dear MapHisters: > >See the attached link for an illustrated description of an exciting new >find: > >http://www.maphist.nl/illustr.html > >David Woodward >Arthur H. Robinson Professor of Geography Emeritus >Editor, History of Cartography >455 Science Hall, 550 North Park Street >MADISON WI 53706-1491 > >608 262-0505 > >_______________________________________________________________ >MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. >The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for >the views of the author. >List Information: http://www.maphist.nl > _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.UU.NL Delivered-To: maphist@geog.UU.NL Subject: [MapHist] two new books of interest to mapsters To: maps-l@listserv.uga.edu, maphist@geog.UU.NL X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.4 June 8, 2000 From: "ahudson" Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 11:37:34 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on MHTMAIL02/MHT/Nypl(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 04/01/2003 11:37:36 AM X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Dear Mapsters, On C-span2 over the weekend Tom Chaffin gave a fascinating presentation on John Charles Fremont, based on Chaffin's new book,"Pathfinder: John Charles Fremont and the course of American empire." NY: Hill and Wang, 2002 isbn 0809075571. In Chaffin's C-span presentation he referred to Fremont's mapping several times, so this may well be worth a look. Washington Post Book World this Sunday had a review of a book on the life of Christopher Wren, 17th century genius. The review mentions his many activities, including mapping and his "access to the highest academic and political echelons." Lisa Jardine [fabulous author] is the author of "On a Grander Scale, the outstanding life of Christopher Wren." no isbn given. These complement the book on Pepys which came out 6 months ago or so. I am developing a reading list of these bios on map personalities for an assignment in my little map librarianship course. Wonder if others come to mind? Alice C. Hudson Chief, Map Division The Humanities and Social Sciences Library The New York Public Library 5th Avenue & 42nd Street, Room 117 New York, NY 10018-2788 ahudson@nypl.org; 212-930-0589; fax 212-930-0027 http://nypl.org/research/chss/map/map.html The true meaning of life is to plant trees, under whose shade you do not expect to sit. - Nelson Henderson _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 09:01:24 -0800 (PST) From: rmckeon@ucsd.edu To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: Re: [MapHist] Exciting new find: prehistoric map of South America X-Mailer: Sake Mail, from Endymion, version 1.0.51 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new another david woodward fabuloso find! and beautifully done as well on this fine april day.. wow. i wonder if DEM ancient carto techs had photoshop... hmmm thanks for sharing:) rose --- Rosemarie McKeon Resident Artist UC White Mountain Research Station 3000 East Line Street Bishop, CA 93514 At 04:37 AM 4/1/2003 -0600, you wrote: Dear MapHisters: See the attached link for an illustrated description of an exciting new find: http://www.maphist.nl/illustr.html David Woodward Arthur H. Robinson Professor of Geography Emeritus Editor, History of Cartography 455 Science Hall, 550 North Park Street MADISON WI 53706-1491 608 262-0505 _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl -- This message was sent using Sake Mail, a web-based email tool from Endymion Corporation. http://www.endymion.com/products/sake _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: F.Herbert@RGS.org To: maphist@geog.uu.nl, maps-l@listserv.uga.edu Subject: RE: [MapHist] two new books of interest to mapsters Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 17:42:22 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Alice: Re your 'throw-away' question at end. Have you exhausted the entries under 'Biographies' in the index '(c) Subjects' of the annual 'Imago Mundi Bibliography'? It includes monographs and periodical articles in all languages, of course - 'cos it's an international bibliography on the history of cartography. Francis f.herbert@rgs.org http://www.rgs.org [see 'Collections'/'Unlocking the Archives'] -----Original Message----- From: ahudson [mailto:ahudson@nypl.org] Sent: 01 April 2003 17:38 To: maps-l@listserv.uga.edu; maphist@geog.UU.NL Subject: [MapHist] two new books of interest to mapsters Dear Mapsters, On C-span2 over the weekend Tom Chaffin gave a fascinating presentation on John Charles Fremont, based on Chaffin's new book,"Pathfinder: John Charles Fremont and the course of American empire." NY: Hill and Wang, 2002 isbn 0809075571. In Chaffin's C-span presentation he referred to Fremont's mapping several times, so this may well be worth a look. Washington Post Book World this Sunday had a review of a book on the life of Christopher Wren, 17th century genius. The review mentions his many activities, including mapping and his "access to the highest academic and political echelons." Lisa Jardine [fabulous author] is the author of "On a Grander Scale, the outstanding life of Christopher Wren." no isbn given. These complement the book on Pepys which came out 6 months ago or so. I am developing a reading list of these bios on map personalities for an assignment in my little map librarianship course. Wonder if others come to mind? Alice C. Hudson Chief, Map Division The Humanities and Social Sciences Library The New York Public Library 5th Avenue & 42nd Street, Room 117 New York, NY 10018-2788 ahudson@nypl.org; 212-930-0589; fax 212-930-0027 http://nypl.org/research/chss/map/map.html The true meaning of life is to plant trees, under whose shade you do not expect to sit. - Nelson Henderson _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. 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List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Originating-IP: [205.187.205.104] X-Originating-Email: [neseaplanes@msn.com] From: "Hardy LeBel" To: "Map History Univ of Utrich" Subject: Re: [MapHist] Exciting new find: prehistoric map of South America Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 15:14:50 -0500 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.02.0011.2700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Apr 2003 20:09:04.0974 (UTC) FILETIME=[8B854EE0:01C2F88A] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new
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Dear MapHisters:

See the attached link for an illustrated description of an exciting new
find:

http://www.maphist.nl/illustr.html

David Woodward
Arthur H. Robinson Professor of Geography Emeritus
Editor, History of Cartography
455 Science Hall, 550 North Park Street
MADISON WI 53706-1491

608 262-0505

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 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 14:50:28 -0600 From: John Fazli Subject: [MapHist] Globe Maker Logo To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new I am trying to identify the maker of a mid 19th century miniature globe (8 cm diameter). The style is very much like the globes of Carl Johann Sigmund Bauer. There is a mark or logo which is the letter "M" inside a circle, with smaller letters "P" and "S" beneath the "M". The box has a portrait of a cartographer with a celestial globe, atlas and compass, probably supposed to be Mercator. Any help most appreciated. _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 09:43:27 +0100 Subject: [MapHist] international conference From: "iconografia@tin.it" To: X-scanner: scanned by Inflex 1.0.12.5 on mail.unina.it X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new international conference Università degli Studi di Napoli Federico II
Dipartimento di Storia dell¹Architettura e Restauro
Centro Interdipartimentale di Ricerca sull¹Iconografia della Città Europea
www.iconografia.unina.it

L¹iconografia delle città europee dal XV al XIX secolo


Third International Symposium.
Naples, 30th and 31st May 2003.




In 1995, the Suor Orsola Benincasa University jointly with the Maison des Sciences de L¹Homme sponsored the First International Symposium on urban iconography: all interventions and papers have been published in the volume Città d'Europa. Iconografia e vedutismo dal XV al XIX secolo, edited by Cesare de Seta and printed by Electa, Napoli, 1996.
During the Second International Symposium, in the year 2000, issues related to the iconographic tradition of European cities from the XV to the XIX century were discussed. Also in this occasion the results of all presentations have been published in a second monographic volume, L¹Europa moderna. Cartografia urbana e vedutismo, edited by Cesare de Seta and Daniela Stroffolino, printed by Electa, Napoli, 2001.
This year, the Third International Symposium, once again, will present the opportunity for a comparative enquiry and for developing a common approach and methodology toward the study of iconographic sources presenting a series of in-depth researches on the theme of urban cartography and townscape illustration.
We welcome proposals to the Symposium: proposals should not to exceed 2000 characters and have to be accompanied by a CV. The deadline to submit the proposals is the 15th of March 2003. Proposals and CV can be delivered via e-mail at iconografia@tin.it, or by a formal letter addressed to prof. Cesare de Seta, Centro Interdipartimentale di Ricerca sull¹Iconografia della Città Europea, Palazzo Gravina, Via Monteoliveto 3, 80134 Napoli.
 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2.4011 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 08:53:57 -0500 Subject: Re: [MapHist] Globe Maker Logo From: Helen Glazer To: Maphist X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new On 4/1/03 3:50 PM, "John Fazli" wrote: > I am trying to identify the maker of a mid 19th century miniature globe > (8 cm diameter). The style is very much like the globes of Carl Johann > Sigmund Bauer. There is a mark or logo which is the letter "M" inside > a circle, with smaller letters "P" and "S" beneath the "M". The box > has a portrait of a cartographer with a celestial globe, atlas and > compass, probably supposed to be Mercator. > > Any help most appreciated. If wild speculation counts as help, here's mine: Some of Carl Johann Sigmund Bauer's globes bear the cartouche MCB (Marke Carl Bauer, which means Carl Bauer Brand). In fact, we have a pocket globe at the gallery with that marking. With ours, the M is large and the C and B are small and fit inside it. No circle, but I think this suggests that the M inside the circle could stand for Marke, and the globe maker's initials were P.S. For what it's worth, Carl had a brother Peter Bauer (1783-1847) who also made small miniature globes for the educational market according to "The World in Your Hands" (Lamb and Collins). That potentially explains the P, but not the S... --Helen Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Helen Glazer, Creative Director George Glazer Gallery Antique Globes, Maps & Prints http://www.georgeglazer.com helen@georgeglazer.com Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Evelyn Edson" To: Subject: RE: [MapHist] Exciting new find: prehistoric map of South America Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 09:44:37 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Dear David: I hope you've told Gavin Menzies about this exciting new evidence for his (many) theories! Evelyn Edson Professor of History Piedmont Virginia Community College 501 College Drive Charlottesville, VA 22902 (434) 961-5384 _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 10:24:27 -0600 From: David Woodward Subject: Re: [MapHist] Exciting new find: prehistoric map of South America To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new It amazes me that people swallow Menzies whole with relish, but immediately saw through my thing. I don't see the difference. I wish I hadn't posted it on 1 April! On Wednesday, April 2, 2003, at 08:44 AM, Evelyn Edson wrote: > Dear David: I hope you've told Gavin Menzies about this exciting new > evidence for his (many) theories! > > Evelyn Edson > Professor of History > Piedmont Virginia Community College > 501 College Drive > Charlottesville, VA 22902 > (434) 961-5384 > > > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.nl > David Woodward Arthur H. Robinson Professor Emeritus University of Wisconsin 550 North Park Street MADISON WI 53706-1491 608 262-0505 http://www.geography.wisc.edu/faculty/woodward _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: day@pop.theworld.com Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 10:58:23 -0500 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: John Day Subject: RE: [MapHist] Exciting new find: prehistoric map of South America X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new >Dear David: I hope you've told Gavin Menzies about this exciting new >evidence for his (many) theories! That reminds me. We may want to count ourselves lucky that Menzies is as bad as the cartography field has to put up with. I happened to be in the local Barnes and Noble yesterday and passed by a table of books on which were like 4 books on the Knights Templar (is there a movie tie-in that I have missed) and one or two on the Grail but another book by an "esteemed" scientist purporting to have evidence of genetic engineering of humans before Adam and Eve or other such milarky (sp?). What is this, The National Enquirer Journal of Science? This makes Menzies positively well-considered by comparison! ;-) Take care, John _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: day@pop.theworld.com Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 11:38:24 -0500 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: John Day Subject: Re: [MapHist] Exciting new find: prehistoric map of South America X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new >It amazes me that people swallow Menzies whole with relish, but >immediately saw through my thing. I don't see the difference. I wish >I hadn't posted it on 1 April! You mean, you realize now that you could have developed in to a 500 page book for the mass market and made lots of money! ;-) Instead of sending it out to the map-hist list where it was immediately recognized as humor! Story of our lives! It is hell having scruples! ;-)) _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: karrowr@mail.newberry.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 10:53:38 -0600 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl, maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Robert Karrow Subject: Re: [MapHist] Exciting new find: prehistoric map of South America X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new At 10:24 AM 04/02/2003 -0600, David Woodward wrote: >It amazes me that people swallow Menzies whole with relish, but >immediately saw through my thing. I don't see the difference. I wish I >hadn't posted it on 1 April! You were just talking to the wrong people, David. I predict a long life for your stone map, once the web crawlers catch up with it! ____________________________________________ Robert W. Karrow, Jr., Curator of Special Collections and Curator of Maps, Roger & Julie Baskes Department of Special Collections, The Newberry Library, 60 W. Walton Street, Chicago, Illinois 60610-7324. Tel: 312-255-3554. FAX: 312-255-3646. E-Mail: KarrowR@newberry.org Our Web Page, including catalog of holdings cataloged since 1978: http://www.newberry.org _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: cavbook@direct.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 10:51:59 -0800 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Derek Hayes Subject: [MapHist] The Lost Maps of Otto Sverdrup X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=7.3 tests=DEAR_SOMEBODY,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01 version=2.43 X-Spam-Level: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Dear MapHisters

In 1898-1902 the Norwegian explorer Otto Sverdrup discovered several far northern islands in the Arctic, Axel Heiberg Island, Amund Ringnes Island and Ellef Ringnes Island, and also mapped much of the west coast of Ellesmere Island. He claimed them for Norway.

Since the British and (later, from 1880, when sovereignty was transferred) the Canadian government claimed the entire Arctic Archipelago by right of first discovery, this gave the Canadian government considerable cause for alarm, and resulted in the voyages of Peter Albert Low and Joseph-Elzear Bernier to specifically claim the lower latitude already-discovered Arctic islands for Canada.

Sovereignty of the Sverdrup Islands (as the group are now named) remained a concern for the Canadians until 1930 when, as part of a deal between the Norwegian government, the British government (which had just given Norway sovereignty over Bouvet Island in the South Atlantic, which Norway wanted as a whaling station), the Canadian government, and Sverdrup himself (he had for years been pushing the Norwegian government to press his claim), Norway relinquished its claim to the "Canadian" Arctic in return for a settlement with Sverdrup whereby in effect it could be retroactively assumed that Sverdrup was 'employed' by the Canadian government. The Canadian government gave Sverdrup $67,000, a huge sum at that time, to purchase his diaries and his maps.

The diaries still exist. They were returned to Sverdrup's family and are now in the Manuscript Department of the University of Oslo Library. The maps, however, seem to have been lost. There were, it seems, a comprehensive set of maps at least similar to the ones printed in Sverdrup's 1903 book Nyt Land, and presumably more detailed originals as well, though this is not certain.

Despite an extensive search for the original Sverdrup maps (actually drawn by his cartographer Gunnerius Isachsen), I have not been able to track them down, although it seems highly unlikely, given their cost and significance re sovereignty, that they would have been thrown out. The search in Ottawa has been done by Louis Cardinal, chief of the cartography division at the National Archives of Canada, and we can be fairly certain that the maps are not in the National Archives or in Natural Resources Canada, the successor government department to the Department of the Interior, which originally had custody (we assume) of the maps. (A Department of the Interior stamp is on each of the diaries now in Oslo). There is no record, that we have been able to find, of the maps being returned to Norway with the maps, and Sverdrup's grand-daughter apparently has no recollection of the maps being returned with the diaries.

My question, then, is this: does anybody have any ideas as to the possible location of the Sverdrup original maps?

Derek Hayes


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Author:
Historical Atlas of British Columbia and the Pacific Northwest (1999)
Historical Atlas of the Pacific Northwest (US edition, 1999)
First Crossing: Alexander Mackenzie, His Expedition Across North America, and the Opening of a Continent (2001)
Historical Atlas of the North Pacific Ocean (2001)
Historical Atlas of Canada: Canada's History Illustrated with Original Maps (October 2002)
Historical Atlas of the Arctic (forthcoming - October 2003) X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 14:41:19 +0200 Subject: [MapHist] Seminaries in Paris From: Marica Milanesi To: , , X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Ministère de la Jeunesse, de l'Éducation Nationale et de la Recherche École Pratique des Hautes Études Sciences Historiques et Philologiques à la Sorbonne 45-47 rue des Écoles, esc. E, 1er étage, 75005 Paris et Centre Albert Châtelet, 4-6 rue Jean Calvin, 7e étage, 75005 Paris Seminary directed by M. Patrick Gautier Dalché, directeur d¹études Mme Marica MILANESI (University of Pavia, Italy) will give four lectures on "Four ways of making geography in XVIth century" 24 april 2003, from 11h to 13h : Text and map in Venice: Giovanni Battista Ramusio (1845-1557) and Giacomo Gastaldi (fl. 1544-1566). Salle d¹Histoire. 5 may 2003, from 9h to 11h : Geographical restitutio and religious restitutio: Guillaume Postel cosmographer (1510-1585). Salle d¹Histoire. 15 may 2003, from 11h to 13h : A Florentine scholar in India: Filippo Sassetti (1540-1588). Salle d¹Histoire. 22 may 2003, from 11h to 13h : A cartographer and his Princes: Egnazio Danti (1536-1586) at Florence and Rome. Salle d¹Histoire. _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: krogt@pop.geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 17:03:05 +0200 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Peter van der Krogt Subject: Re: [MapHist] Globe Maker Logo X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new The same question was published in a short article by Tor E. Rössaak, 'Unbekannte Globenmacher / Globes by Unknown Makers' in Information (of the International Coronelli Gesellschaft für Globen- und Instrumentenkunde) nr. 12, April 1987 (pp. 4-5). Here was said thet MPS globes were known in diametersof 6.2 cm, 4.5 cm, and 12.5 cm and that there are also editions in English. Rössaak did not get an answer (at least not within a two months): In his List of Old Globes in Norway (Der Globusfreund 35-37, June 1987, pp. 255-258) this globe is listed as "monogram MPS". Three MPS globes are described in The Howard E Welsh collection of globes, in Information (of the International Coronelli Gesellschaft für Globen- und Instrumentenkunde) nr. 18 (Nov. 1991), pp. 13-14. A 4.3 cm diameter MPS globe is listed in the Liste alter Globen im Bundesland Rheinland-Pfalz der Bundesrepublik Deutschland by Werner Kummer (Der Globusfreund 40/41, 1992, p. 103). Kummer says that 'Die Bedeutung von M P S istnoch nicht geklärt. Bekannt sind MPS-Globen von 6.4, 10, 12.7 und 15.7 cm, auch mit französischer und englischer Beschriftung. Die Habitus der Schachteln, Bilder und auch Abbildungen von Familien beim Betrachten von Globen ähneln den Exemplaren der Hersteller Bauer und Bühler/Klinger in Nürnberg." (summarized: different diameters known, also with French and English text, and their style is very similar to the globes by Bauer and Bühler/Klinger in Nuremberg). That are all referenced to MPS globes found via the name index on all issues of Der Globusfreund and Information, published in Der Globusfreund nr. 40-41 (1991). MPS seems to be an active mid-19th century globe maker, probably in Nuremberg, but still without a name. (Or does somebody knows a later publication with the solution?). Peter At 22:50 1-4-2003, you wrote: >I am trying to identify the maker of a mid 19th century miniature globe (8 >cm diameter). The style is very much like the globes of Carl Johann >Sigmund Bauer. There is a mark or logo which is the letter "M" inside a >circle, with smaller letters "P" and "S" beneath the "M". The box has a >portrait of a cartographer with a celestial globe, atlas and compass, >probably supposed to be Mercator. > >Any help most appreciated. > >_______________________________________________________________ >MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. >The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for >the views of the author. >List Information: http://www.maphist.nl YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY Dr Peter van der Krogt Map Historian, Explokart Research Program Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht P.O. Box 80.115 3508 TC UTRECHT, The Netherlands e-mail: peter@maphist.nl Homepage: MapHist: Genealogy: Elementymology: Columbus Monuments: YYYYYYYYYYYYYYY PER ANGUSTA AD AUGUSTA YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 18:06:47 +0100 From: Doug Weller X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.63 Beta/3) Personal To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] Another claim about pre-columbian maps, not an April fool X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Hi, Anyone run into this site? http://enriquegarciabarthe.lookingat.us/ingles/index_ing.htm An extract: Professor Paul Gallez [evidentally a Belgian] unequivocally demonstrates that the continental extension of China towards south in old maps as in Ptolemy's of Hamer (Martellus) belongs to South America identifying coasts, rivers, mountains, and carrying out a net of distortion. Another investigator, Dr. Dyck Edgar Ibarra Grasso discovers that the Sinus Magnus or Megas Kolpios (Great Gulf) that appears east of old maps isn't another thing but the Pacific Ocean. Looks like another kook. Doug -- Doug Weller Moderator, sci.archaeology.moderated Submissions to:sci-archaeology-moderated@medieval.org Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.demon.co.uk Doug and Helen's Dogs: http://www.dougandhelen.com _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: vanderkr@mail.vanderkrogt.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 23:03:56 +0200 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl (by way of Peter van der Krogt ) Subject: Old stuff! / [MapHist] Another claim about pre-columbian maps, not an April fool X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Non-member submission from [] Dear Doug, This is very old stuff -- Gallez's theories have been around since about the 1970's, and have been recycled by a number of people. Very interesting, but of no merit. There are too many other sensible ways to explain the Martellus peninsula, without resorting to speculation that it is a "proto-cartographic" (the Gallez-Grasso term) depiction of South America. Cheers, Benjamin B. Olshin -----­ì©l¶l¥ó----- ±H¥óªÌ: Doug Weller ¦¬¥óªÌ: maphist@geog.uu.nl ¤é´Á: 2003¦~4¤ë4¤é AM 01:06 ¥D¦®: [MapHist] Another claim about pre-columbian maps, not an April fool >Hi, > >Anyone run into this site? > >http://enriquegarciabarthe.lookingat.us/ingles/index_ing.htm > > An extract: > Professor Paul Gallez [evidentally a Belgian] unequivocally demonstrates that the continental > extension of China towards south in old maps as in Ptolemy's of Hamer > (Martellus) belongs to South America identifying coasts, rivers, mountains, > and carrying out a net of distortion. >Another investigator, Dr. Dyck Edgar Ibarra Grasso discovers that the >Sinus Magnus or Megas Kolpios (Great Gulf) that appears east of old maps >isn't another thing but the Pacific Ocean. > >Looks like another kook. > >Doug _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: minefe@libero.it@popmail.libero.it X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 00:48:56 +0200 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Maria Teresa di Palma Subject: Re: [MapHist] Seminaries in Paris X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new questo è arrivato e anche l'altro "nessun Oggetto" vai tranquilla. Oggi Manzi mi ha proprio fatto incazzare!!!! Ciao a presto Pucci At 14.41 03/04/03 +0200, you wrote: >Ministère de la Jeunesse, de l'Éducation Nationale et de la Recherche > >École Pratique des Hautes Études >Sciences Historiques et Philologiques à la Sorbonne >45-47 rue des Écoles, esc. E, 1er étage, 75005 Paris >et >Centre Albert Châtelet, 4-6 rue Jean Calvin, 7e étage, 75005 Paris > > >Seminary directed by M. Patrick Gautier Dalché, >directeur d¹études > >Mme Marica MILANESI >(University of Pavia, Italy) >will give four lectures on > >"Four ways of making geography in XVIth century" > >24 april 2003, from 11h to 13h : >Text and map in Venice: Giovanni Battista Ramusio (1845-1557) and Giacomo >Gastaldi (fl. 1544-1566). >Salle d¹Histoire. > >5 may 2003, from 9h to 11h : >Geographical restitutio and religious restitutio: Guillaume Postel >cosmographer (1510-1585). >Salle d¹Histoire. > >15 may 2003, from 11h to 13h : A Florentine scholar in India: Filippo >Sassetti (1540-1588). >Salle d¹Histoire. > >22 may 2003, from 11h to 13h : A cartographer and his Princes: Egnazio Danti >(1536-1586) at Florence and Rome. >Salle d¹Histoire. > >_______________________________________________________________ >MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. >The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for >the views of the author. >List Information: http://www.maphist.nl _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: vanderkr@mail.vanderkrogt.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 22:52:25 +0200 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl (by way of Peter van der Krogt ) Subject: Re: Old stuff! / [MapHist] Another claim about pre-columbian maps, not an April fool X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Non-member submission from ["Catherine Delano-Smith" ] (she is a member, but obviously subscribed with a different address, Peter) Apropos the discussion on Gallez and Sout America, Map Histers may be interested to know that the forthcoming issue of IMAGO MUNDI. THE INTERNATIONAL JOURNAL FOR THE HISTORY OF CARTOGRAPHY (vol 55, due July) will include an article by W. A. Richardson, entitled `South America on Maps before Columbus? Martellus's 'Dragon's Tail' Peninsula', in which Gallez's and other's arguments are energetically refuted. Catherine DELANO SMITH. (Editor) ----- Original Message ----- From: by way of Peter van der Krogt To: Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 10:03 PM Subject: Old stuff! / [MapHist] Another claim about pre-columbian maps, not an April fool Non-member submission from [] Dear Doug, This is very old stuff -- Gallez's theories have been around since about the 1970's, and have been recycled by a number of people. Very interesting, but of no merit. There are too many other sensible ways to explain the Martellus peninsula, without resorting to speculation that it is a "proto-cartographic" (the Gallez-Grasso term) depiction of South America. Cheers, Benjamin B. Olshin _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 14:30:33 -0600 From: John Fazli Subject: Re: [MapHist] Globe Maker Logo To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new I found in a 1997 Christie's catalog the suggestion that the MPS stands for "Marke Polar Stern" as some of the globes also feature an eight pointed star above the "M". Of course "Polarstern" is all one word in German, but perhaps they wanted an international trademark as Bauer marketed globes for the British market quite extensively. I've concluded that the MPS globes are almost certainly by Carl Bauer, but it can probably never be established beyond all doubt. There are additional sizes of MPS globes beyond those listed by Mr. Rössaak - 4 cm and 7.5 cm examples exist. On Thursday, April 3, 2003, at 09:03 AM, Peter van der Krogt wrote: > > The same question was published in a short article by Tor E. Rössaak, > 'Unbekannte Globenmacher / Globes by Unknown Makers' in Information > (of the International Coronelli Gesellschaft für Globen- und > Instrumentenkunde) nr. 12, April 1987 (pp. 4-5). > Here was said thet MPS globes were known in diametersof 6.2 cm, 4.5 > cm, and 12.5 cm and that there are also editions in English. > > Rössaak did not get an answer (at least not within a two months): In > his List of Old Globes in Norway (Der Globusfreund 35-37, June 1987, > pp. 255-258) this globe is listed as "monogram MPS". > > Three MPS globes are described in The Howard E Welsh collection of > globes, in Information (of the International Coronelli Gesellschaft > für Globen- und Instrumentenkunde) nr. 18 (Nov. 1991), pp. 13-14. > > A 4.3 cm diameter MPS globe is listed in the Liste alter Globen im > Bundesland Rheinland-Pfalz der Bundesrepublik Deutschland by Werner > Kummer (Der Globusfreund 40/41, 1992, p. 103). Kummer says that 'Die > Bedeutung von M P S istnoch nicht geklärt. Bekannt sind MPS-Globen von > 6.4, 10, 12.7 und 15.7 cm, auch mit französischer und englischer > Beschriftung. Die Habitus der Schachteln, Bilder und auch Abbildungen > von Familien beim Betrachten von Globen ähneln den Exemplaren der > Hersteller Bauer und Bühler/Klinger in Nürnberg." (summarized: > different diameters known, also with French and English text, and > their style is very similar to the globes by Bauer and Bühler/Klinger > in Nuremberg). > > That are all referenced to MPS globes found via the name index on all > issues of Der Globusfreund and Information, published in Der > Globusfreund nr. 40-41 (1991). > > MPS seems to be an active mid-19th century globe maker, probably in > Nuremberg, but still without a name. (Or does somebody knows a later > publication with the solution?). > > Peter > > At 22:50 1-4-2003, you wrote: >> I am trying to identify the maker of a mid 19th century miniature >> globe (8 cm diameter). The style is very much like the globes of >> Carl Johann Sigmund Bauer. There is a mark or logo which is the >> letter "M" inside a circle, with smaller letters "P" and "S" beneath >> the "M". The box has a portrait of a cartographer with a celestial >> globe, atlas and compass, probably supposed to be Mercator. >> >> Any help most appreciated. >> >> _______________________________________________________________ >> MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >> hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. >> The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >> the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >> Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility >> for >> the views of the author. >> List Information: http://www.maphist.nl > > > YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY > Dr Peter van der Krogt > Map Historian, Explokart Research Program > Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht > P.O. Box 80.115 > 3508 TC UTRECHT, The Netherlands > e-mail: peter@maphist.nl > Homepage: > MapHist: > Genealogy: > Elementymology: > Columbus Monuments: > > YYYYYYYYYYYYYYY PER ANGUSTA AD AUGUSTA YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.nl > _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Harry Mclaughlin" To: Subject: [MapHist] Wupatki "map" of South America Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 20:04:43 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new A statistical measure of geometric similarity is not a valid indicator that a feature found in a cliff dwelling may actually be a pre-Columbian intentional carving of a continental map (using a modern cartographic projection) as suggested in http://www.maphist.nl/illustr.html Seeing resemblances is a necesssary human cognitive function. Much of the aesthetic appeal of rocks collected by Chinese scholars lay in their fancied resemblances. But such correlations do not imply causation. And if we examine more cliff faces we are sure to find more seeming maps. G. Harry McLaughlin, Ph.D. http://home.earthlink.net/~ghal/ _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: F.Herbert@RGS.org To: lis-maps@JISCMAIL.AC.UK, maphist@geog.uu.nl Cc: exlibris@library.berkeley.edu Subject: [MapHist] Map thief on '10 most wanted' webpage Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 11:06:32 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new

Selected extracts from 'The Independent' (London) of Saturday 5 April 2003, which I suggest subscribers to these three lists forward to other interested lists and persons:-

 

"A top 10 of Britain's 'most wanted' fugitives, including suspected murderers and rapists, and alleged child sex offenders, was published by Scotland Yard for the first time yesterday [Friday 4 April 2003].   Photographs and descriptions of the nine wanted men and one woman, with details of their alleged offences, were posted on the Metropolitan Police website.  [. . .]

 

Peter Bellwood, 50, is wanted for questioning by both Danish and Welsh police over the theft of thousands of antiquarian maps and prints stripped from 16th-century and 17th-century books in libraries throughout Europe.  [. . . ]

 

Anyone who recognises the names and faces on the Met list is urged to contact the police immediately on 020-7233-4128."

 

The Metropolitan Police webpage is: [http://www.met.police.uk/mostwanted/index.htm]; 3 images of Bellwood are shown - all, it seems, from CCTV in The Royal Library (Denmark)'s Center of Maps and Pictures.

 

Francis Herbert (Curator of Maps, RGS-IBG)

f.herbert@rgs.org

http://www.rgs.org [see 'Collections'/Unlocking the Archives']

 

 

 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: vanderkr@mail.vanderkrogt.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 18:41:27 +0200 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl (by way of Peter van der Krogt ) Subject: [MapHist] What are they doing to that poor dog? Cc: ingerson@tds.net, oxclove@ulster.net X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Non-member submission from ["chuck" ] Subject: From: Anna Oxclove [oxclove@ulster.net] What are they doing to that poor dog? [For those who don't understand this, this was a question on the MapHist illustration page, from 8 March 1998 ! see http://www.maphist.nl/illustr.html and scroll down the navigation menu almost to the end. We had had a discussion then and the question was answered. But, I thought it is interesting to forward this non member submission to the list. Maybe I should include the answers on the illustration web pages too. Are there volunteers for this job?, Peter] Not sure if this was discussed and resolved - most surely it was - looks = like a building fire and the dogs were used to find people - in the = process many of the dogs died of affixation. chuck From: Anna Oxclove [oxclove@ulster.net] Subject: What are they doing to that poor dog? Not having seen this site before I've an extensive collection of maps - = 18th and 19th Century and some earlier - chuck "The ocean gathers wind and rain as the force of storms and it's = difficult for anyone or anything to stand in the way. Yet with sea = anchors set, sails reefed and the hatches battened many ships have = ridden out such storms. In life we've the same storms, how well have we = prepared to weather these storms will be found in our attitude and = example towards others." cji 12/21/02 Personal Pages: http://pub18.ezboard.com/bwhispersofthespirit (this will take you to any of the other sites) =20 http://iwvpa.net/ingersoncj/ =20 Message Board: http://pub20.ezboard.com/bknowledgelighttruth=20 http://www.lds.org=20 http://www.intelcenter.com/2ndplaneside-135.jpg _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Christopher Baruth Subject: [MapHist] AGS Lecture Commemorates Louisiana Purchase To: maphist@geog.uu.nl, MAPS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Date: Mon, 7 Apr 103 13:05:55 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new AGS LIBRARY LECTURE COMMEMORATES LOUISIANA PURCHASE Commemorating to the day the bicentennial of the Louisiana Purchase, Dr. John Hébert, Chief, Geography and Map Division, Library of Congress, will give a talk on Wednesday, April 30, 2003 in the American Geographical Society Library entitled "Charting Louisiana: 18th Century French Mapping of the Mississippi Valley, or How the Louisiana Territory Came to be Defined." His talk, this year's installment of the Arthur Holzheimer Lecture Series Maps and America, will be supported by an exhibit of relevant maps. Dr. Hébert is the consulting editor of a newly published atlas, Charting Louisiana: Five Hundred Years of Maps. His other publications include The Luso-Hispanic World in Maps: A Selective Guide to Manuscript Maps to 1900 in the Collections of the Library of Congress; Panoramic Maps of Anglo-American Cities; Population Maps of the Western Hemisphere; and The Library of Congress Hispanic and Portuguese Collections: An Illustrated Guide. He was project director of the Library of Congress's Christopher Columbus Quincentenary Program for which he curated the exhibition "1492: An Ongoing Voyage." He also was responsible for the publications associated with the exhibition, The Hispanic World, 1492-1898 and 1492: An Ongoing Voyage, which he edited. Dr. Hébert's lecture will begin at 6 p.m., preceded by a reception at 5 p.m. The American Geographical Society Library is located in the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee's Golda Meir Library, 2311 E. Hartford Avenue. The lecture is sponsored by Arthur and Janet Holzheimer, and co-sponsored by the Friends of the Golda Meir Library and Alliance Française de Milwaukee. Christopher Baruth AGS Library _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 10:19:44 -0500 From: R y V Mayer Subject: [MapHist] Adrian Boot. To: Maphist X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new
These are questions only remotely cartographic, addressed mainly to Dutch colleagues.

 Adrian Boot was a Dutch engineer who came to New Spain in 1615 to take part in the drainage works of the Valley of Mexico which he then left due to technical disagreements. He then spent from 1615 to 1617 in Acapulco reinforcing the fort of San Diego and from 1621 to 1623 in Veracruz working on the fort of San Juan de Ulua. He painted panoramic views of both ports, the one of Acapulco is well known because it was engraved by François Valentyn, I believe in "Oud en Nieuw Oost Indien", and others. At about the same time Trasmonte painted a plan and a view of Mexico City, the latter was reproduced by John Ogilby and Montanus in “America”, also shown in "Histoire General des Voyages" in its various versions, and many other works.

 I have reasons to believe that Boot acquired Trasmonte’s two paintings and took them to Holland, together with his own, between 1617 and 1632 as in the latter year they appear in the inventory of the palace of the Stadhouder of Middelburg.

Mi questions:
When and where was Boot born? When did he return from Mexico to Holland? Did he live in Middelburg? Where and in what year did he die?

Who can give me the answers or where might I get them?

 I hope that some Maphister will be able to help me.

Roberto L. Mayer
MEXICO
vyrmayer@prodigy.net.mx

X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: karrowr@mail.newberry.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 16:11:58 -0500 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Robert Karrow Subject: [MapHist] ISCEM AT ICHC, 14 June 2003 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Since the Ottawa International Conference on the History of Cartography in 1985, people with a curatorial responsibility for collections of early maps have been gathering, generally on the Saturday before the formal conference, to discuss matters of mutual concern. This year, the International Society of Curators of Early Maps (ISCEM) will meet on Saturday, 14 June 2003, from 10AM to 3PM in Sanders Theater of Memorial Hall, Harvard University. Lunch will be on your own. Two broad topics have been proposed for discussion: 1. "Non-Traditional Approaches to Bibliographical Control" (i.e., databases, spreadsheets, archival inventories, EAD, etc.) and 2. "Exploiting New Technologies" (i.e., the internet, the World Wide Web, digitization, etc.) Curators wishing to address new initiatives in either of these areas are invited to contact Robert Karrow, ISCEM Chair, at PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THE WHOLE LIST. In addition to the more formal presentations invited here, there will be an opportunity for curators to briefly announce new programs or initiatives in their institutions. Please contact me in advance of the meeting if you wish to be added to the program. ____________________________________________ Robert W. Karrow, Jr., Curator of Special Collections and Curator of Maps, Roger & Julie Baskes Department of Special Collections, The Newberry Library, 60 W. Walton Street, Chicago, Illinois 60610-7324. Tel: 312-255-3554. FAX: 312-255-3646. E-Mail: KarrowR@newberry.org Our Web Page, including catalog of holdings cataloged since 1978: http://www.newberry.org _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: vanderkr@mail.vanderkrogt.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 09:49:56 +0200 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl (by way of Peter van der Krogt ) Subject: [MapHist] Prehistoric map of South America X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Non-member submission from ["Vladimir Pakhomov" ] Dear David, My readers informed me about your article "Prehistoric map of South America" http://www.maphist.nl/illustr.html This article has a date on April, 1 :) but it was interesting for me, thank you. I do not study the maps, I am a mathematician. But I have found two Prehistoric maps of North America. -1- I have deciphered the ancient calendar cryptogram and I have unlocked some surprising images. These are three-dimensional images. You may see the fragment of one of images here: http://www.angelfire.com/retro/calendar/oannes.html The image a "Head of a fish" And here: http://www.geocities.com/dominorus/oannes_1.html The ancient map of the North American continent. These articles have a bad translation, but you can find a good translation in my book "The Mystery of the Calendar" ISBN 0-9580150-1-5 Publisher: Xerostar Holdings (Australia) http://www.midi-ebooks.com/pakhomov.html -2- I have found the second map in Egypt. It is a relief map too. http://www.geocities.com/dominorus/giza.html It is a great find. Best regards, Vladimir Pakhomov http://www.pakhomov.com/ Russia _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: vanderkr@mail.vanderkrogt.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 15:48:06 +0200 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl (by way of Peter van der Krogt ) Subject: Re: [MapHist] The Lost Maps of Otto Sverdrup X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Non-member submission from [Andre Engels ] On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Derek Hayes wrote: > Dear MapHisters > > The diaries still exist. They were returned to Sverdrup's family and are > now in the Manuscript Department of the University of Oslo Library. The > maps, however, seem to have been lost. There were, it seems, a > comprehensive set of maps at least similar to the ones printed in > Sverdrup's 1903 book Nyt Land, and presumably more detailed originals as > well, though this is not certain. [...] > My question, then, is this: does anybody have any ideas as to the possible > location of the Sverdrup original maps? I did a websearch, and according to a website from the Sverdrup Centennial expedition at http://www.ringnes-sverdrup.no/english_version.htm they are in the National Archives in Ottawa. Looking through the website of the archive (http://www.archives.ca/), I found the following: http://data4.archives.ca/netacgi/nph-brs?s1=Sverdrup&s2=&s6=&s10=&s11=PRI&l=20&Sect4=AND&Sect1=IMAGE&Sect2=THESOFF&Sect5=MKDOPEN&Sect6=HITOFF&d=MIKA&p=1&u=http://www.archives.ca/02/02012302_e.html&r=1&f=G "Fonds consists of records left in Arctic caches by Otto Sverdrup and members of his expedition of 1898-1902. They were found in Jones Sound, by R.C.M.P. patrols in 1924, 1926 and 1929. The records are a log of events and a resume of the conditions of both the men and the vessel. The originals were written in Norwegian. There are also four maps of Ellesmere Island, North West Territories, 1902." However, if you write the archives yourself, they might be able to give you more information, I assume. Andre Engels _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: cavbook@direct.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 10:29:11 -0700 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Derek Hayes Subject: Re: [MapHist] The Lost Maps of Otto Sverdrup X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=7.3 tests=DEAR_SOMEBODY,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SPAM_PHRASE_02_03 version=2.43 X-Spam-Level: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Dear MapHisters The National Archives of Canada does indeed have some original Sverdrup/Isachsen maps, but they are all ones that Sverdrup left in cairns in the Arctic and were recovered by later expeditions of RCM Police patrols. The maps are of previously explored areas, not the newly discovered Sverdrup Islands. They are not the maps that the Canadian government purchased from Sverdrup in 1930. Thanks anyway Derek Hayes At 03:48 PM 4/9/2003 +0200, you wrote: >Non-member submission from [Andre Engels ] > > >On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Derek Hayes wrote: > > > Dear MapHisters > > > > The diaries still exist. They were returned to Sverdrup's family and are > > now in the Manuscript Department of the University of Oslo Library. The > > maps, however, seem to have been lost. There were, it seems, a > > comprehensive set of maps at least similar to the ones printed in > > Sverdrup's 1903 book Nyt Land, and presumably more detailed originals as > > well, though this is not certain. > >[...] > > > My question, then, is this: does anybody have any ideas as to the possible > > location of the Sverdrup original maps? > >I did a websearch, and according to a website from the Sverdrup Centennial >expedition at http://www.ringnes-sverdrup.no/english_version.htm they are >in the National Archives in Ottawa. Looking through the website of the >archive (http://www.archives.ca/), I found the following: > >http://data4.archives.ca/netacgi/nph-brs?s1=Sverdrup&s2=&s6=&s10=&s11=PRI&l=20&Sect4=AND&Sect1=IMAGE&Sect2=THESOFF&Sect5=MKDOPEN&Sect6=HITOFF&d=MIKA&p=1&u=http://www.archives.ca/02/02012302_e.html&r=1&f=G > >"Fonds consists of records left in Arctic caches by Otto Sverdrup and members > of his expedition of 1898-1902. They were found in Jones Sound, by R.C.M.P. > patrols in 1924, 1926 and 1929. The records are a log of events and a resume > of the conditions of both the men and the vessel. The originals were written > in Norwegian. There are also four maps of Ellesmere Island, North West > Territories, 1902." > >However, if you write the archives yourself, they might be able to give you >more information, I assume. > >Andre Engels > >_______________________________________________________________ >MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. >The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for >the views of the author. >List Information: http://www.maphist.info Derek Hayes Vancouver, BC Canada derek@derekhayes.ca http://www.derekhayes.ca Phone 604 541 7850 Fax 604 541 7811 Author: Historical Atlas of British Columbia and the Pacific Northwest (1999) Historical Atlas of the Pacific Northwest (US edition, 1999) First Crossing: Alexander Mackenzie, His Expedition Across North America, and the Opening of a Continent (2001) Historical Atlas of the North Pacific Ocean (2001) Historical Atlas of Canada: Canada's History Illustrated with Original Maps (October 2002) Historical Atlas of the Arctic (forthcoming - October 2003) _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Originating-IP: [204.213.37.215] X-Original-From: philhoehn@juno.com Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 16:24:11 GMT To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: ***SPAM*** [MapHist] ***SPAM*** Early Japanese map article in NY Times X-Mailer: WebMail Version 1.0 From: philhoehn@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Spam-Status: Yes, hits=8.7 tagged_above=4.0 required=6.9 tests=BAYES_30, CONFIRMED_FORGED, FORGED_JUNO_RCVD, FORGED_RCVD_TRAIL, NO_REAL_NAME X-Spam-Level: ********* X-Spam-Flag: YES "In Vintage Maps, a Japan Bygone Floats Lyrically Online" by Julie Lew appears in today's New York Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/10/technology/circuits/10mapp.html?ex=1050981759&ei=1&en=c47cedf5df4981ab Phil Hoehn, Map Librarian San Francisco -- philhoehn@juno.com ----------------------------------- David Rumsey Collection: http://www.davidrumsey.com _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: vanderkr@mail.vanderkrogt.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 19:11:55 +0200 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Peter van der Krogt Subject: [MapHist] Re: ***SPAM*** X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Dear all As you probably have noticed Phil Hoehn's message had the flag SPAM. This is added by an automatic spam-prevent-program that our faculty has installed on our server. In the headers you see: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Spam-Status: Yes, hits=8.7 tagged_above=4.0 required=6.9 tests=BAYES_30, CONFIRMED_FORGED, FORGED_JUNO_RCVD, FORGED_RCVD_TRAIL, NO_REAL_NAME X-Spam-Level: ********* X-Spam-Flag: YES I don't understand all codes, one of them is NO_REAL_NAME : this one is easy to prevent by adding your name in the From field of your e-mail, and not only a e-mail address. Real SPAM will be exceptional for MapHist messages, since only messages of subscribers will be distributed, and spammers never subscribe themselves to lists (they send their spam to millions of email addresses, and don't check these). Thus, when you see the SPAM flag in a MapHist messages, don't delete it, but read it just as any other MapHist message. Peter At 18:24 10-4-2003, you wrote: >"In Vintage Maps, a Japan Bygone Floats Lyrically Online" by Julie Lew >appears in today's New York Times: > >http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/10/technology/circuits/10mapp.html?ex=1050981759&ei=1&en=c47cedf5df4981ab > > >Phil Hoehn, Map Librarian >San Francisco -- philhoehn@juno.com >----------------------------------- >David Rumsey Collection: http://www.davidrumsey.com Peter van der Krogt List-owner MapHist List-info: http://www.maphist.nl _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Cook, Andrew" To: "'maphist@geog.uu.nl'" Cc: "'tides@btinternet.com'" Subject: RE: [MapHist] chronometers Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 18:25:06 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Paul Hughes You might find something useful in the piece I did on chronometer use in East India Company ships (including survey ships) for the Longitude Zero conference in 1984, and which was published in the conference proceedings in Vistas in Astronomy 28 (1986). In the East Indies context McCluer had chronometers in surveying the coast of Western India in 1786. Please contact me off list with particular questions: there's a good deal of work still going on, away from the history of cartography, among historians of the use of chronometers. Try also Will Andrewes' Quest for Longitude, publishing the papers of the 1994 Harvard conference (which Dava Sobel famously attended). Andrew Cook ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Andrew S Cook MA PhD FRSA FRHistS Map Archivist, India Office Records The British Library 96 Euston Road London NW1 2DB E-mail andrew.cook@bl.uk Telephone/Voicemail 020 7412 7828 Fax 020 7412 7641 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -----Original Message----- From: Paul Hughes [mailto:tides@btinternet.com] Sent: 25 March 2003 20:45 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] chronometers Pacific coasts were among the very first to be mapped by chronometer. Cook did this in the 1770's. By 1819 chronometers were made standard on navy boats. At what date, between 1780 and 1819, did chronometers become standard instrumentation for hydrography in general or on suvey ships in particular? Paul. Check out my web site: http://www.airmynyorks.co.uk Captain Paul Hughes 106 High Street Airmyn Yorkshire DN14 8LB _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. 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To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Well at least the New york Times today. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/10/technology/circuits/10mapp.html Michael _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: KitTheMap@aol.com Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 10:21:04 EDT Subject: [MapHist] legal question To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10607 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Hi!

Has anyone come across the phrase "to do a law"?

It is indirectly related to a project (cataloguing all printed town and regional maps of Devon); I came across a namesake who was sentenced to the above. I only know that as a freeman of the city (of Exeter in 1420) he was able to do it together with two other freemen. If he had been a foreigner he would have had to do it "by his own hand".

Any answers thankfully received

Kit Batten X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Christopher Baruth Subject: [MapHist] 2004 AGS Library Fellowships To: maphist@geog.uu.nl, maps-l@listserv.uga.edu Date: Mon, 14 Apr 103 10:48:26 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Fellowships for 2003-2004 The American Geographical Society Library, University of Wisconsin- Milwaukee Libraries, welcomes applications for Helen and John S. Best Research Fellowships. Stipends of $375 per week, for periods up to 4 weeks, will be awarded to support residencies for the purpose of conducting research which makes direct use of the Library. The Fellowships will be tenable between December 1, 2003 and November 30, 2004. The AGS Library, the former research library and map collection of the American Geographical Society of New York, has strengths in geography, cartography and related historical topics. Applications must be postmarked by September 15, 2003. For further information, write, call or e-mail the AGS Library, P.O. Box 399, Milwaukee, WI 53201-0399, Tel. (414) 229-6282, E-mail agsl@uwm.edu. Web site: http://www.uwm.edu/Libraries/AGSC/ Christopher Baruth, Ph.D. Curator _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist-digest@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl To: maphist-digest@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] Earliest Map showing Australia X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.6a January 17, 2001 From: Mark.Brown@dpiwe.tas.gov.au Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 17:11:04 +1000 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Launceston_DM/LTN/DPIF/AU(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 04/15/2003 05:11:03 PM, Serialize complete at 04/15/2003 05:11:03 PM, Itemize by SMTP Server on SV-HBT-LND-DM07/HBT/DPIF/AU(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 15/04/2003 05:11:03 PM, Serialize by Router on SV-HBT-LND-DM07/HBT/DPIF/AU(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 15/04/2003 05:11:11 PM, Serialize complete at 15/04/2003 05:11:11 PM X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new
Dear Maphisters,

I have a couple of questions for my own personal curiosity, but they are ones for which the knowledge on this list is ideally suited.

What is the earliest map showing any part of Australia?
When was Australia first discovered?

A book exists about the discovery of Australia in 1606 by the Dutch Ship Duyfken, however that does not explain why Australia appears on a 1570 world map by Ortelius.

Were there earlier expeditions by the Spanish or Portuguese, did Magellan discover it?

I would have thought that the Spanish may try to find a route from the Pacific Ocean side of America to Spain.
Although my preference is to believe that the Portuguese knew about Australia in the early 1500's since they had a number of dealings with the Spice Islands just to the north of Australia.

I'd be interested to hear from anyone with any information or maps on this topic.

regards
Mark

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Spatial Information Systems Team Leader
Land and Water Management Branch
Department of Primary Industry, Water and Environment
P.O. Box 46
Kings Meadows
Australia                7249
Ph: (03)6336 5224        Fax: (03)6336 5365
email: Mark.Brown@dpiwe.tas.gov.au
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X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 10:31:16 +0200 Subject: Re: [MapHist] Earliest Map showing Australia From: Philippe Forêt To: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Re: [MapHist] Earliest Map showing Australia Dear Maphisters,

The northern shore of a long and hilly piece of land south of Sumatra is depicted in the _ Wubei zhi _ encyclopedia, volume 240, plate 17 a and b and plate 18. The island (?) does not have any place name. The encyclopedia with its atlas was submitted to the Chinese emperor in 1628, but the information for the atlas was compiled during the embassies of admiral Zheng He, two centuries before. I am not implying anything on who discovered what and when, but would be curious to hear from anyone who is doing research on the Chinese cartography of the Southern Seas.

Best regards,
Philippe Foret
Swiss NSF Research Fellow
pforet@bluewin.ch



Le 15.4.2003 9:11, « Mark.Brown@dpiwe.tas.gov.au » <Mark.Brown@dpiwe.tas.gov.au> a écrit :


Dear Maphisters,

I have a couple of questions for my own personal curiosity, but they are ones for which the knowledge on this list is ideally suited.

What is the earliest map showing any part of Australia?
When was Australia first discovered?

A book exists about the discovery of Australia in 1606 by the Dutch Ship Duyfken, however that does not explain why Australia appears on a 1570 world map by Ortelius.

Were there earlier expeditions by the Spanish or Portuguese, did Magellan discover it?

I would have thought that the Spanish may try to find a route from the Pacific Ocean side of America to Spain.
Although my preference is to believe that the Portuguese knew about Australia in the early 1500's since they had a number of dealings with the Spice Islands just to the north of Australia.

I'd be interested to hear from anyone with any information or maps on this topic.

regards
Mark

--------------------------------------------------------
Mark Brown
Spatial Information Systems Team Leader
Land and Water Management Branch
Department of Primary Industry, Water and Environment
P.O. Box 46
Kings Meadows
Australia                7249
Ph: (03)6336 5224        Fax: (03)6336 5365
email: Mark.Brown@dpiwe.tas.gov.au
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X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "tony campbell" To: "*MapHist" Subject: [MapHist] 'Map History' site down Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 11:21:29 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Colleagues To avoid the inevitable flood of messages from distraught MapHisters, wondering if their favourite site has gone off the air permanently, this is to pass on the following announcement: "Due to maintenance work on the University of London Senate House power supply and computer network we regret to announce that the IHR web server will not be available from 16.00 (BST) on Wednesday 16 April to 10.00 (BST) on Wednesday 23 April 2003." 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List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "tony campbell" To: "*MapHist" Subject: [MapHist] Location of ICHC2007 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 11:26:24 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new On behalf of Imago Mundi Ltd, I am delighted to announce that the 22nd International Conference on the History of Cartography will be held in Switzerland in July 2007 [the precise date will be fixed later]. Since this series of conferences started in 1964, there has been no visit to that country - one of importance in the history of cartography and rich in its map collections. The provisional plans are for the conference to take place in Berne, with trips to Basle, Zürich and Lucerne for exhibitions and library visits. The conference will be hosted by the Working Group on the History of Cartography of the Swiss Society of Cartography, and it will be supported by the Federal Office of Topography, Wabern and the Institute of Cartography, ETH-Zürich. You will already be aware that the 20th conference takes place in New England in two month's time (15-20 June), see < www.ichc2003.org >, and the 21st in Budapest, Hungary, 2-8 July 2005. Last year's announcement invited applications to host both the 2007 and 2009 conferences. Switzerland's was the only offer for 2007 and there was no firm offer for 2009 (though there were expressions of serious interest). For that reason, a new invitation to host the 2009 conference will be issued next year. 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List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: day@pop.theworld.com Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 09:09:44 -0400 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: John Day Subject: Re: [MapHist] Earliest Map showing Australia X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new VerdanaDear Maphisters, The northern shore of a long and hilly piece of land south of Sumatra is depicted in the _ Wubei zhi _ encyclopedia, volume 240, plate 17 a and b and plate 18. The island (?) does not have any place name. The encyclopedia with its atlas was submitted to the Chinese emperor in 1628, but the information for the atlas was compiled during the embassies of admiral Zheng He, two centuries before. I am not implying anything on who discovered what and when, but would be curious to hear from anyone who is doing research on the Chinese cartography of the Southern Seas. Verdana By this date, there may have been influence in the maps that Ricci and others were producing in China. And I vaguely remember the Wubei Zhi being sited as a map influenced by the Jesuits, but I would want to go back to my sources to be sure of the claim. I have seen conjectures that the some depictions of the Great Southern Continent are in fact the north coast of Australia, especially with respect to the Ricci 1602 map. But this would seem to be a fair amount in to the data. Take care, John X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 23:45:31 +0930 From: Duane Van Schoonhoven X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: Re: [MapHist] Earliest Map showing Australia X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Hi Mark and Maphisters, Al-Khwarizmi's Map of the World (820 AD), the northern part of Australia is displayed. So does Al-Istakhari's Map (934 AD). Cheers, Duane Van Schoonhoven Paracombe, South Australia Mark.Brown@dpiwe.tas.gov.au wrote: > > What is the earliest map showing any part of Australia? > When was Australia first discovered? _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 10:05:59 -0700 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Len Berggren Subject: Re: [MapHist] Earliest Map showing Australia X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Duane, What are your sources for those statements? Thanks, Len Berggren >Hi Mark and Maphisters, > >Al-Khwarizmi's Map of the World (820 AD), the northern part of Australia >is displayed. So does Al-Istakhari's Map (934 AD). > >Cheers, > >Duane Van Schoonhoven >Paracombe, South Australia > >Mark.Brown@dpiwe.tas.gov.au wrote: >> >> What is the earliest map showing any part of Australia? >> When was Australia first discovered? >_______________________________________________________________ >MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. >The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for >the views of the author. >List Information: http://www.maphist.info -- Prof. J. L. Berggren Department of Mathematics Simon Fraser University 8888 University Drive, Burnaby, B.C. Canada V5A 1S6 Phones: 604-291-3335 (Office); 604-291-4947 (Fax) 604-936-2268 (Home) _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: Re: [MapHist] Earliest Map showing Australia From: engelsAG@t-online.de (Andre Engels) To: X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 4.109 Date: 15 Apr 2003 23:36 GMT X-Sender: 520042374336-0001@t-dialin.net X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new schrieb: > I have a couple of questions for my own personal curiosity, but they are > ones for which the knowledge on this list is ideally suited. > > What is the earliest map showing any part of Australia? An important problem here is that many maps show land in this part of the world of which it is not clear whether it is Australia, some quirk of Terra Australis, or a double mention of some land already elsewhere on the map (for example, based on a statement from Marco Polo). > When was Australia first discovered? It is often assumed that the Portuguese discovered it somewhere between 1520 and 1550. Earlier discovery by the Arabs or by the Chinese of Cheng Ho (or otherwise) cannot be excluded, although I don't know of any specific evidence. Still, in general Jansz (1606) is taken as the discoverer, being the first of which we do have more evidence other than 'it appeared on a map, so someone must have discovered it'. > A book exists about the discovery of Australia in 1606 by the Dutch Ship > Duyfken, however that does not explain why Australia appears on a 1570 > world map by Ortelius. The most convincing pre-Jansz maps mentioning Australia are considered to be, as far as I have read it, the French Dieppe maps from the mid-16th century. > Were there earlier expeditions by the Spanish or Portuguese, did Magellan > discover it? Certainly not Magellan, his route is well-known; there are also as far as I know no claims for other Spanish. There are for the Portuguese. Andre Engels _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:27:20 -0300 From: Paulo Roberto Soares de Deus Organization: CNPq X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] meaning of ornesta X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Hello all, In the Hereford mappamundi there is an inscrption that informs that the map was made following the Paulo Orosius "Ornesta Mundi". This word, 'ornesta', has anything to do with 'beauty'? Anything with 'ornare', 'ornamentum'? Thanks in advance, Paulo _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:31:33 -0300 From: Paulo Roberto Soares de Deus Organization: CNPq X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] meaning of ornesta 2 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new In his edition of the map, Westreem not translate it, he prefers let 'ornesta mundi' in a shape that reminds me a title of a book. There was/is a book of Oroius called Ornesta Mundi, or the author of Hereford Map was reffering to the 'Liber I' of Orosius' 'Historias - libri septem'? Sorry for asking it in two e-mails. Thanks again, Paulo Paulo Roberto Soares de Deus wrote: > Hello all, > > In the Hereford mappamundi there is an inscrption that informs that the > map was made following the Paulo Orosius "Ornesta Mundi". This word, > 'ornesta', has anything to do with 'beauty'? Anything with 'ornare', > 'ornamentum'? > > Thanks in advance, > > Paulo > > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.info _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: panis@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1.1r Macintosh Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 10:11:40 -0700 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: John McChesney-Young Subject: Re: [MapHist] meaning of ornesta X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Paulo Roberto Soares de Deus wrote: >In the Hereford mappamundi there is an inscrption that informs that the >map was made following the Paulo Orosius "Ornesta Mundi". This word, >'ornesta', has anything to do with 'beauty'? Anything with 'ornare', >'ornamentum'? R. E. Latham's _Revised Medieval Latin Word-List_ (1965) suggests with some uncertainty that it's a portmanteau word: ormesta (mundi), title of a book, (?) Or[osii] m[undi] ist[ori]a The dates he provides are: a [i.e., ante] 1142, c 1443. John -- ******* *** John McChesney-Young ** panis@pacbell.net ** Berkeley, California, U.S.A. *** _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 18:24:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Jay Lester Subject: [MapHist] Cumming Map Society meeting April 26 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Greetings MapHisters, Information regarding the Cumming Map Society Meeting on Saturday, April 26, can be found on our web site: http://www.cummingmapsociety.org , or you may contact me at mapsguy@mindspring.com for specifics if you are interested in attending. The meeting will be at the Joyner Library at East Carolina University. Our speaker, Dr. Scott Madry, will give a presentation on "Digitizing North Carolina's Historic Maps." Regards, Jay L. ===== Jay Lester Chapel Hill, NC mapsguy@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: vanderkr@mail.vanderkrogt.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 08:47:30 +0200 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl (by way of Peter van der Krogt ) Subject: [MapHist] Articles on psuedoarcheology X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new This message was html-encoded and therefore not automatically distributed. Please change this option when you send to MapHist. Peter. Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 19:21:10 -0400 From: "Duane F. Marble" The current, May/June 2003, issue of ARCHAEOLOGY (published by the Archeological Institute of America) contains a special section on "Seductions of Pseudoarchaeology" with three articles addressing television, the Internet and publishing. The focus of the "Bogus Books" article deals with "a voyage of exploration too exciting to be true" -- 1421, of course. Alas, the article closes with the information that the U.S. Public Broadcasting System will do a television documentary on this next year (and the TV article in the section concludes that most such are basically "entertainment" and not science) and then notes "These is even talk of building giant junks to re-create the great Chinese voyage." If they do, I will bet that somebody on board willl have a GPS unit in their pocket! -- Dr. Duane F. Marble Professor Emeritus of Geography Telephone: 614-292-4419 Center for Mapping Fax: 614-292-8062 The Ohio State University 1216 Kinnear Road Email: marble.1@osu.edu Columbus, Ohio 43212 Two thoughts: "Time is Nature's way of stopping things happening all at once." "God invented space so that not everything had to happen in Columbus." _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 23:29:49 +0930 From: Duane Van Schoonhoven X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: Re: [MapHist] Earliest Map showing Australia X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Hi Len, The Northern Approaches Australia in Old Maps 820 to 1770, by Eric B. Whitehouse. Boolarong Press, 1994. ISBN 0-8643-9177-3 Cheers, Duane Van Schoonhoven Len Berggren wrote: > > Duane, What are your sources for those statements? > Thanks, > Len Berggren > > >Hi Mark and Maphisters, > > > >Al-Khwarizmi's Map of the World (820 AD), the northern part of Australia > >is displayed. So does Al-Istakhari's Map (934 AD). > > > >Mark.Brown@dpiwe.tas.gov.au wrote: > >> > >> What is the earliest map showing any part of Australia? _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: Re: [MapHist] Earliest Map showing Australia To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Cc: maphist@geog.uu.nl, owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.4 June 8, 2000 From: "ahudson" Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 10:49:07 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on MHTMAIL02/MHT/Nypl(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 04/18/2003 10:49:08 AM X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new In our library catalog the title is "Australia in old maps...etc." so search both titles, as the title may have been altered for publication in the US. We have been burned on this sort of thing in the past, ordering what is seemingly a new title, but is an identical book! Alice C. Hudson Chief, Map Division The Humanities and Social Sciences Library The New York Public Library 5th Avenue & 42nd Street, Room 117 New York, NY 10018-2788 ahudson@nypl.org; 212-930-0589; fax 212-930-0027 http://nypl.org/research/chss/map/map.html The true meaning of life is to plant trees, under whose shade you do not expect to sit. - Nelson Henderson Duane Van Schoonhoven To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: Re: [MapHist] Earliest Map showing Australia Sent by: owner-maphist@pop .geog.uu.nl 04/18/2003 09:59 AM Please respond to maphist Hi Len, The Northern Approaches Australia in Old Maps 820 to 1770, by Eric B. Whitehouse. Boolarong Press, 1994. ISBN 0-8643-9177-3 Cheers, Duane Van Schoonhoven Len Berggren wrote: > > Duane, What are your sources for those statements? > Thanks, > Len Berggren > > >Hi Mark and Maphisters, > > > >Al-Khwarizmi's Map of the World (820 AD), the northern part of Australia > >is displayed. So does Al-Istakhari's Map (934 AD). > > > >Mark.Brown@dpiwe.tas.gov.au wrote: > >> > >> What is the earliest map showing any part of Australia? _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 09:09:55 -0700 Subject: [MapHist] orphans folding maps? From: "Penny L. Richards" To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Came across another tidbit of possible interest to historians of cartography... In Philip Bean and Joy Melville, _Lost Children of the Empire_ (Unwin Hyman: London 1989), the chapter "The Children's Voices" strings together the remembered stories of children who were emigrated in groups, without their families, as "waifs and strays," from England to Australia, South Africa, Canada, Rhodesia, in the early-to-mid 20th century. This one, on page 145, caught my eye... "We used to work hard in the Orphanage. Even people that lived around there were surprised there were so many chilren there 'cause they never used to hear any noises. Saturday mornings, we'd work all morning, but the dormitories were the most highly polished floors you'd ever seen. You'd get six girls on the floor, polishing. And we'd work for people outside, for the government. We used to have to tie these really thick bundles of string up, for the abbatoirs; and at one stage we were folding up a whole load of maps. No one even gave us a lolly for it." Unfortunately the text doesn't indicate where this person was living in Australia (a Catholic orphanage, it seems from the surrounding context), or when--the chapter is meant to be more impressionistic, I guess--and anyway a lot of the informants are kept anonymous for confidentiality's sake. But if you come across an Australian government map from maybe seventy years ago that's folded less than competently, remember the orphans... Penny Penny L. Richards PhD Research Scholar, UCLA Center for the Study of Women Co-editor, H-Education and H-Disability turley2@earthlink.net _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Tom Woodfin" To: Subject: RE: [MapHist] orphans folding maps? Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 12:08:47 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new But if you come across an Australian government map from maybe seventy years ago that's folded less than competently, remember the orphans... WHY WOULD YOU ASSUME THAT ORPHAN GIRLS CANNOT FOLD MAPS COMPETENTLY? _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 10:31:02 -0700 Subject: Re: [MapHist] orphans folding maps? From: "Penny L. Richards" To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Tom Woodfin asks, >WHY WOULD YOU ASSUME THAT ORPHAN GIRLS CANNOT FOLD MAPS COMPETENTLY? I don't assume they cannot. I assume they might not have, intentionally, as a silent protest to their unfair lives; or perhaps I picture a struggling nine-year-old just letting her thin fingers slip in exhaustion and boredom and despair. (Children aren't machines, after all, despite repeated schemes throughout history to proceed as if they are.) Penny Penny L. Richards PhD Research Scholar, UCLA Center for the Study of Women Co-editor, H-Education and H-Disability turley2@earthlink.net _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 16:51:10 +0900 To: "owner-maphist-geog.uu.nl" From: Henny Savenije Subject: [MapHist] Maps used to plot genealogies X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new I am in the process of helping someone to plot genealogies on maps, you can find an example here, my ancestors on 'Novus XVII Inferioris Germaniae Provinciarum Typus of Willem Blaeu http://www.genealogy.henny-savenije.pe.kr/smart/index.php?mapID=10&generations=8&gen_name=savenije&page=module&module=mapper&id=24&newmap=Refresh (take care it's about 5 Mb, the maps are made on the fly, so it takes a lot of calculations and a lot of time to download) we still have to do a lot of work. I think it's still messy and if anyone has good ideas to improve the lay-out please let me know. Henny (Lee Hae Kang) ----------------------------- Portal to all my sites http://www.henny-savenije.pe.kr Feel free to discover Korea with Hendrick Hamel (1653-1666) http://www.hendrick-hamel.henny-savenije.pe.kr (in English) In Korean http://www.hendrick-hamel.henny-savenije.pe.kr/indexk2.htm In Dutch http://www.hendrick-hamel.henny-savenije.pe.kr/Dutch Frits Vos Article about Witsen and Eibokken and his first Korean-Dutch dictionary http://www.vos.henny-savenije.pe.kr Korea through Western Cartographic eyes http://www.cartography.henny-savenije.pe.kr (in English) Hwasong the fortress in Suwon http://www.hwasong.henny-savenije.pe.kr The way a ship was rigged: http://www.hendrick-hamel.henny-savenije.pe.kr/shiprigg.htm Old Korea in pictures http://www.oldKorea.henny-savenije.pe.kr A British encounter in Pusan (1797) http://www.british.henny-savenije.pe.kr Genealogy http://www.genealogy.henny-savenije.pe.kr Bulletin board for Korean studies http://www.henny-savenije.pe.kr/bboard _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Al Magary" To: Subject: Re: [MapHist] orphans folding maps? Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 22:20:18 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new In this connection may I point out the release of the video of "Rabbit-Proof Fence," an Australian film released in the US in 11/02 about the real-life escape of three young Aborigine girls from an assimilation center in 1931. Australian government policy at the time (much like US policy on American Indians) insisted on "civilizing" the natives and, in the film, particularly half-castes. A make-work task for these semi-orphans (they were yanked away from their families) may well have been folding maps, but I actually have something different to remark on. In a thousand-mile trek in western Australia, on their way from the "Moore River" settlement north to their home in "Jigalong" near the Great Sandy Desert, the girls follow a fence that was erected to keep the rapidly growing rabbit population away cropland and gardens. The fence was begun about 1905 and is apparently still in use. I looked for the fence on a couple of stray maps of Australia I have--nothing authoritative--but don't see the fence line. In maps shown in the film, the fence is shown as a straight line from the coast east, then straight south, so I was wondering if the rabbit-proof fence has become a permanent mark on the landscape--like a berm or hedgerow-- with parallel maintenance road, telephone line, etc., or whether it's a transient feature. Al Magary _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Authentication-Warning: walter.newberry.org: [10.0.0.167] didn't use HELO protocol X-Sender: morrisp@mail.newberry.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 09:29:39 -0500 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Patrick Morris Subject: [MapHist] Robert Friend ms. chart of the East Indies, 1719 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Maphisters, The Newberry Library holds an untitled portolan chart of the East Indies dated 1719 and signed by Robert Friend. Among known maps by Friend listed in Tooley's Dictionary of mapmakers (2001) is "East Indies, 1719 MS." My question: Is the location of this variant copy known? With thanks in advance, Pat Morris. ==================================================== Patrick Morris, Map Cataloger and Reference Librarian The Newberry Library, 60 W. Walton, Chicago, IL 60610 http://www.newberry.org morrisp@newberry.org 312.255.3674 _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Authentication-Warning: walter.newberry.org: [10.0.0.167] didn't use HELO protocol X-Sender: morrisp@mail.newberry.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 10:19:47 -0500 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Patrick Morris Subject: [MapHist] Fwd: Robert Friend ms. chart of the East Indies, 1719 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Oops: I should have mentioned that the Newberry map is also a manuscript --pm >Maphisters, > >The Newberry Library holds an untitled portolan chart of the East Indies >dated 1719 and signed by Robert Friend. > >Among known maps by Friend listed in Tooley's Dictionary of mapmakers >(2001) is "East Indies, 1719 MS." > >My question: Is the location of this variant copy known? > >With thanks in advance, Pat Morris. _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "tony campbell" To: Subject: Re: [MapHist] Robert Friend ms. chart of the East Indies, 1719 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 17:56:58 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Patrick Morris This is presumably the same chart, since it is in the Ayer Collection which has been at the Newberry for many decades. [The publication of Tooley's Dictionary, incidentally, started in 1965. I suspect he knew and used the 1927 Ayer catalogue. Since there was no space for him to give sources, this cannot be established conclusively]. Thomas Smith, in his article in 'The Compleat Plattmaker' (ed Norman Thrower, 1978), p.81, note 50, mentions the 1719 Robert Friend chart as of the South China Sea. He does not record a second example. Need there be two? Tony Campbell ***************************************** 76 Ockendon Road London N1 3NW UK t.campbell@ockendon.clara.co.uk Tel: 020 7359 6477 International: +44 20 7359 6477 ****************************************** 'Map History / History of Cartography: THE Gateway to the Subject' http://ihr.sas.ac.uk/maps _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Authentication-Warning: walter.newberry.org: [10.0.0.167] didn't use HELO protocol X-Sender: morrisp@mail.newberry.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 13:18:49 -0500 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Patrick Morris Subject: Re: [MapHist] Robert Friend ms. chart of the East Indies, 1719 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Tony, No, there needn't be two. You're probably right about Tooley using our catalog, but I thought I should ask anyway, since variant copies of other Ayer manuscript maps are known to exist in London, Paris, and Washington. Thanks for your time, Pat Morris At 05:56 PM 04/19/2003 +0100, you wrote: >Patrick Morris > >This is presumably the same chart, since it is in the Ayer Collection which >has been at the Newberry for many decades. [The publication of Tooley's >Dictionary, incidentally, started in 1965. I suspect he knew and used the >1927 Ayer catalogue. Since there was no space for him to give sources, this >cannot be established conclusively]. > >Thomas Smith, in his article in 'The Compleat Plattmaker' (ed Norman >Thrower, 1978), p.81, note 50, mentions the 1719 Robert Friend chart as of >the South China Sea. He does not record a second example. Need there be >two? > >Tony Campbell >***************************************** >76 Ockendon Road >London N1 3NW >UK > >t.campbell@ockendon.clara.co.uk > >Tel: 020 7359 6477 International: +44 20 7359 6477 >****************************************** >'Map History / History of Cartography: THE Gateway to the Subject' >http://ihr.sas.ac.uk/maps > >_______________________________________________________________ >MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. >The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for >the views of the author. >List Information: http://www.maphist.info ==================================================== Patrick Morris, Map Cataloger and Reference Librarian The Newberry Library, 60 W. Walton, Chicago, IL 60610 http://www.newberry.org morrisp@newberry.org 312.255.3674 _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: vanderkr@mail.vanderkrogt.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 12:58:59 +0200 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl (by way of Peter van der Krogt ) Subject: [MapHist] earliest map of Australia X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Non-member submission from [Koeberer@t-online.de ("Dr. Wolfgang Köberer")] (he is probably subscribed with a different address, Peter) I am somewhat puzzled by the categorical statement some days ago by Duane V= an Schoonhoven that in "Al-Khwarizmi's Map of the World (820 AD), the north= ern part of Australia is displayed. So does Al-Istakhari's Map=20 (934 AD)." As far as I know there is no "map of the world" by al-Khwarizmi, only a set= of geographical coordinates which might have been used by the Ma`mun geogr= aphers in constructing their maps (cf. Fuat Sezgin, Mathematische Geographi= e und Kartographie im Islam und ihr Fortleben im Abendland, Frankfurt 2000,= Vol. 1, p. 73 et seq.; see also: Tibbets, The Beginnings of a Cartographic= Tradition, HoC, Vol. II, Book 1, p. 104 et seq.). The oldest extant map of= the tradition going back to al-Khwarizmi`s set of=20 geographical coordinates(Ms. Istanbul, Topkapi Sarayi M=FCzesi K=FCt=FCphan= esi, Ahmet III, 2797/1) is dated about 1340 and it does not show the coast = of Australia but a dark triangle which does not represent land. Also the world maps by al-Istakhri (for instance the copy dated about 1193 = in the Rijksuniversiteit Leiden - Or. 3101, p. 4 -5 - or the copies depicte= d in the HoC article by Tibbets) clearly cannot be regarded as representing= actual geographical knowledge; in Tibbet`s words they are "built up by wha= t might be called academic conjecture - an armchair=20 attempt to see all the provinces set down relative to each other. The whole= has to fit into a stereotyped idea of what the whole world should=20 look like." (Tibbets l.c. p. 120). Correct me please, if I am mistaken, but I think that cryptic statements li= ke Duane Van Schoonhoven`s are only misleading and - apart from that - furt= her the type of fantastic speculation allpervasive in the web. Wolfgang Koeberer _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. 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List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: vanderkr@mail.vanderkrogt.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 19:44:52 +0200 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl (by way of Peter van der Krogt ) Subject: [MapHist] Assistance needed on: anonymous world map in the Biblioteca Apostolica Vaticana (ca. 1530) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Non-member submission from [] We are studying an anonymous world map in the Biblioteca Apostolica = Vaticana (ca. 1530), specifically Biblioteca Apostolica Vaticana MS Urb. = lat. 274, ff 73v-74r, which is described by Roberto Almagi=E0, = "Planisfero ovale anonimo, italiano, in un Codice della Geografia di = Tolemeo. Circa 1530," vol. 1, p. 58-9 and pl. 33 in Monumenta = Cartographica Vaticana (The Vatican: Biblioteca apostolica vaticana, = 1944-55). South of the southern tip of Africa on the curious annular = southern continent on this map there are six red "castle" symbols, = evidently indicating cities. The toponyms beside these castle symbols = are very difficult to decipher. We noticed that there are also red castle symbols similarly positioned = in the southern continent of the oval planisphere of Francesco Rosselli = (ca. 1508). A few works discuss this map (Nunn, Almagi=E0, Howell), but = there is not any discussion of these castles. Any thoughts or insights = into this matter would be greatly appreciated. -Benjamin B. Olshin, Ph.D. olshin@mindspring.com=20 _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: np003a5704@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 21:15:12 +0100 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Nick Pelling Subject: Re: [MapHist] Assistance needed on: anonymous world map in the Biblioteca Apostolica Vaticana (ca. 1530) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new At 19:44 20/04/2003 +0200, Benjamin B. Olshin, Ph.D wrote: >We are studying an anonymous world map in the Biblioteca Apostolica = >Vaticana (ca. 1530), specifically Biblioteca Apostolica Vaticana MS Urb. = >lat. 274, ff 73v-74r, which is described by Roberto Almagi=E0, = >"Planisfero ovale anonimo, italiano, in un Codice della Geografia di = >Tolemeo. Circa 1530," vol. 1, p. 58-9 and pl. 33 in Monumenta = >Cartographica Vaticana (The Vatican: Biblioteca apostolica vaticana, = >1944-55). South of the southern tip of Africa on the curious annular = >southern continent on this map there are six red "castle" symbols, = >evidently indicating cities. The toponyms beside these castle symbols = >are very difficult to decipher. May I ask if these toponyms are "difficult to decipher" palaeographically or cryptographically? Thanks, .....Nick Pelling..... _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 21:29:17 -0400 From: ExJournal@aol.com To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: Re: [MapHist] Articles on psuedoarcheology X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Not only that, but if the experience follows british attempts at outsized wooden ships, the exercise will be "interesting" to say the least. Wooden ships over 300 feet in length tend to Hog, or bend in the middle, opening seams and providing all sorts of mechanical weaknesses that are not easily anticipated. That, inter alia, is why iron provided tha ability to build larger ships. Regards, Carl Schuster _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Don Holeman" To: Subject: Re: [MapHist] Articles on psuedoarcheology Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 22:43:48 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new With Peter's indulgence, It happens that www.thehallofmaat.com is featured in the article that addresses the Internet, so I could not let the opportunity pass to invite interested list members to visit us. The full text of that article is available at: http://www.archaeology.org/magazine.php?page=0305/etc/web Contributions to The Hall of Ma'at online articles collection would be especially welcome. I have been thinking that a general essay on portolans with instructions on how to read them would be valuable in refuting the Piri Ries crowd. The '1421' momentum presents new challenges as well. All the Best, Don Holeman ----- Original Message ----- From: "by way of Peter van der Krogt " To: Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 2:47 AM Subject: [MapHist] Articles on psuedoarcheology This message was html-encoded and therefore not automatically distributed. Please change this option when you send to MapHist. Peter. Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 19:21:10 -0400 From: "Duane F. Marble" The current, May/June 2003, issue of ARCHAEOLOGY (published by the Archeological Institute of America) contains a special section on "Seductions of Pseudoarchaeology" with three articles addressing television, the Internet and publishing. The focus of the "Bogus Books" article deals with "a voyage of exploration too exciting to be true" -- 1421, of course. Alas, the article closes with the information that the U.S. Public Broadcasting System will do a television documentary on this next year (and the TV article in the section concludes that most such are basically "entertainment" and not science) and then notes "These is even talk of building giant junks to re-create the great Chinese voyage." If they do, I will bet that somebody on board willl have a GPS unit in their pocket! -- Dr. Duane F. Marble Professor Emeritus of Geography Telephone: 614-292-4419 Center for Mapping Fax: 614-292-8062 The Ohio State University 1216 Kinnear Road Email: marble.1@osu.edu Columbus, Ohio 43212 Two thoughts: "Time is Nature's way of stopping things happening all at once." "God invented space so that not everything had to happen in Columbus." _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. 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List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: Re: [MapHist] Earliest Map showing Australia To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.1b (Intl) 30 September 1999 From: JScurfield@slv.vic.gov.au Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 12:47:37 +1000 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on SLVNotes/SLV/AU(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 22/04/2003 12:50:22 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Dear all, In reply to the messages from Mark, Duane, Len and others on the above topic, just a word of warning if you were thinking about rushing to buy Whitehouse's book "Australia in old maps 820-1770" (1994). While it quotes from a lot of very early sources, the references are not backed up systematically, and a great deal of conjecture about early understanding of Australia is extrapolated from the maps reproduced. Far more reliable sources are "Australia Unveiled" by Gunter Schilder (1976), "The Discovery of Australia" by T. M. Perry (1982), and of course "The History of Cartography", Vol 2, Book 1, by Harley and Woodward (1992). I hope this helps. Judith Scurfield Map Librarian, State Library of Victoria, 328 Swanston Street, Melbourne, Victoria 3000, Australia. Phone 61 3 8664 7010 Fax 61 3 9639 6829 E-mail jscurfield@slv.vic.gov.au _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Paul van den Brink" To: Subject: [MapHist] Map Exhibitions Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 15:23:58 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new
While preparing my paper for the Boston conference (on the political means of late 19th and early 20th century map-exhibitions), I studied (sofar) the map shows (and supporting catalogues) in Antwerp (1871), Paris (1875, 1889), Venice (1881), Bern (1891), London (1895) etc. held on the occasion of the International Geographic Conferences. I was wondering however if anyone can tell me when was the first exhibition (with an accompanying catalogue) of (early) maps? 
 
Paul van den Brink
 
Utrecht
 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Cook, Andrew" To: "'maphist@geog.uu.nl'" Subject: RE: [MapHist] Earliest Map showing Australia Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:45:36 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Judith By chance I was looking at a copy of Whitehouse only a few days ago: I think your comment on it is masterly. Andrew -----Original Message----- From: JScurfield@slv.vic.gov.au [mailto:JScurfield@slv.vic.gov.au] Sent: 22 April 2003 03:48 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: Re: [MapHist] Earliest Map showing Australia In reply to the messages from Mark, Duane, Len and others on the above topic, just a word of warning if you were thinking about rushing to buy Whitehouse's book "Australia in old maps 820-1770" (1994). While it quotes from a lot of very early sources, the references are not backed up systematically, and a great deal of conjecture about early understanding of Australia is extrapolated from the maps reproduced. Far more reliable sources are "Australia Unveiled" by Gunter Schilder (1976), "The Discovery of Australia" by T. M. Perry (1982), and of course "The History of Cartography", Vol 2, Book 1, by Harley and Woodward (1992). I hope this helps. Judith Scurfield Map Librarian, State Library of Victoria ************************************************************************** Coming soon to the British Library Galleries Painted Labyrinth : the world of the Lindisfarne Gospels From 16 May to 28 September 2003 ************************************************************************* The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended for the addressee(s) only. 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List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: F.Herbert@RGS.org To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: RE: [MapHist] Earliest Map showing Australia Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 15:14:12 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Judith, I was hoping to contribute my 'pennyworth' earlier - but I've had to do work this morning! My comment were/are, firstly: that the Whitehouse book is probably a considerably enlarged version of his paper 'Early maps of northern Australia' read to, and published by, the Royal Historical Society of Queensland in 1984. This article was included as entry no. 86:38(042) in the 'Imago Mundi Bibliography' for 1986, vol. 38. Secondly: as befits my usually purely objective comments in the 'IM Bibliography' I noted merely: "Chiefly based on maps of Arab, Chinese, Portuguese, & Spanish explorers". Although I was aware of his theories prior to his 1984 paper it would have been inadmissibly censorious of me (and the Editorial Committee of 'Imago Mundi') to have omitted the entry for it from the annual 'IM' international bibliography. And other entries since, of course . . . It is the influence of some publications on the 'uneducated' (I mean this in a charitable sense) that is to be feared: children and 'the media', in particular, will leap at conclusions from such publications without questioning and with alacrity. Thus is formed their powers of reasoning and judgement. With some writers and their published (including internet) works one has to bear in mind a variation of one of the most recent UK government health warnings on tobacco products:- "Smoking seriously harms you and others around you" Francis f.herbert@rgs.org http://www.rgs.org [see 'Collections'/'Unlocking the Archives']; http://ihr.sas.ac.uk/maps/imago.html -----Original Message----- From: Cook, Andrew [mailto:Andrew.Cook@bl.uk] Sent: 22 April 2003 14:46 To: 'maphist@geog.uu.nl' Subject: RE: [MapHist] Earliest Map showing Australia Judith By chance I was looking at a copy of Whitehouse only a few days ago: I think your comment on it is masterly. Andrew -----Original Message----- From: JScurfield@slv.vic.gov.au [mailto:JScurfield@slv.vic.gov.au] Sent: 22 April 2003 03:48 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: Re: [MapHist] Earliest Map showing Australia In reply to the messages from Mark, Duane, Len and others on the above topic, just a word of warning if you were thinking about rushing to buy Whitehouse's book "Australia in old maps 820-1770" (1994). While it quotes from a lot of very early sources, the references are not backed up systematically, and a great deal of conjecture about early understanding of Australia is extrapolated from the maps reproduced. Far more reliable sources are "Australia Unveiled" by Gunter Schilder (1976), "The Discovery of Australia" by T. M. Perry (1982), and of course "The History of Cartography", Vol 2, Book 1, by Harley and Woodward (1992). I hope this helps. Judith Scurfield Map Librarian, State Library of Victoria ************************************************************************** Coming soon to the British Library Galleries Painted Labyrinth : the world of the Lindisfarne Gospels From 16 May to 28 September 2003 ************************************************************************* The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the postmaster@bl.uk : The contents of this e-mail must not be disclosed or copied without the sender's consent. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the British Library. The British Library does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. ************************************************************************* _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Map Collector Publications Ltd" To: Subject: Re: [MapHist] Earliest Map showing Australia Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:21:30 +0100 Organization: Map Collector Publications Ltd X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new I think I got the wrong message! This was destined to one Judith and although I am getting old and forgetful I still know my name! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 3:14 PM Subject: RE: [MapHist] Earliest Map showing Australia > Judith, > > I was hoping to contribute my 'pennyworth' earlier - but I've had to do work > this morning! > > My comment were/are, firstly: that the Whitehouse book is probably a > considerably enlarged version of his paper 'Early maps of northern > Australia' read to, and published by, the Royal Historical Society of > Queensland in 1984. This article was included as entry no. 86:38(042) in > the 'Imago Mundi Bibliography' for 1986, vol. 38. > > Secondly: as befits my usually purely objective comments in the 'IM > Bibliography' I noted merely: "Chiefly based on maps of Arab, Chinese, > Portuguese, & Spanish explorers". Although I was aware of his theories > prior to his 1984 paper it would have been inadmissibly censorious of me > (and the Editorial Committee of 'Imago Mundi') to have omitted the entry for > it from the annual 'IM' international bibliography. And other entries > since, of course . . . > > It is the influence of some publications on the 'uneducated' (I mean this in > a charitable sense) that is to be feared: children and 'the media', in > particular, will leap at conclusions from such publications without > questioning and with alacrity. Thus is formed their powers of reasoning and > judgement. With some writers and their published (including internet) works > one has to bear in mind a variation of one of the most recent UK government > health warnings on tobacco products:- > > "Smoking seriously harms you and others around you" > > Francis > f.herbert@rgs.org > http://www.rgs.org [see 'Collections'/'Unlocking the Archives']; > http://ihr.sas.ac.uk/maps/imago.html > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cook, Andrew [mailto:Andrew.Cook@bl.uk] > Sent: 22 April 2003 14:46 > To: 'maphist@geog.uu.nl' > Subject: RE: [MapHist] Earliest Map showing Australia > > Judith > By chance I was looking at a copy of Whitehouse only a few days ago: I think > your comment on it is masterly. > Andrew > > -----Original Message----- > From: JScurfield@slv.vic.gov.au [mailto:JScurfield@slv.vic.gov.au] > Sent: 22 April 2003 03:48 > To: maphist@geog.uu.nl > Subject: Re: [MapHist] Earliest Map showing Australia > > In reply to the messages from Mark, Duane, Len and others on the above > topic, just a word of warning if you were thinking about rushing to buy > Whitehouse's book "Australia in old maps 820-1770" (1994). While it quotes > from a lot of very early sources, the references are not backed up > systematically, and a great deal of conjecture about early understanding of > Australia is extrapolated from the maps reproduced. Far more reliable > sources are "Australia Unveiled" by Gunter Schilder (1976), "The Discovery > of Australia" by T. M. Perry (1982), and of course "The History of > Cartography", Vol 2, Book 1, by Harley and Woodward (1992). > > I hope this helps. > > Judith Scurfield > Map Librarian, > State Library of Victoria > > > ************************************************************************** > > Coming soon to the British Library Galleries > > Painted Labyrinth : the world of the Lindisfarne Gospels > > >From 16 May to 28 September 2003 > > ************************************************************************* > > The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally > privileged. It is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the > intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the > postmaster@bl.uk : The contents of this e-mail must not be disclosed or > copied without the sender's consent. > > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the > author and do not necessarily reflect those of the British Library. The > British Library does not take any responsibility for the views of the > author. > > ************************************************************************* > > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.info > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.info _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 09:41:17 -0700 Subject: [MapHist] New online reviews of interest From: "Penny L. Richards" To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new In case folks don't run across these on the H-Net... Reviewed for H-DC by Michael R. Harrison Iris Miller. _Washington in Maps, 1606-2000_. New York: Rizzoli International Publications, 2002. 176 pp. $50.00 (cloth), ISBN 0-8478-2447-0. http://www.h-net.msu.edu/reviews/showrev.cgi?path=151581050652307 Reviewed for H-DC by Winfield Swanson Charles A. Cerami. _Benjamin Banneker: Surveyor, Astronomer, Publisher, Patriot_. New York: John Wiley and Sons, 2002. xiii + 257 pp. $24.95 (cloth), ISBN 0-471-38752-5. http://www.h-net.msu.edu/reviews/showrev.cgi?path=152241050652339 Penny L. Richards PhD Research Scholar, UCLA Center for the Study of Women Co-editor, H-Education and H-Disability turley2@earthlink.net _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Originating-IP: [63.208.134.156] X-Original-From: philhoehn@juno.com Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 02:52:03 GMT To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] Iraq National Library X-Mailer: WebMail Version 1.0 From: philhoehn@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new The "Coalition Forces" occupying Iraq claim they were unable to prevent the apparently complete destruction of that country's national library. Anyone know if there is a catalog of its former cartographic holdings? Phil Hoehn, Map Librarian San Francisco -- philhoehn@juno.com ----------------------------------- Contractor for David Rumsey Collection: http://www.davidrumsey.com _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Agustin Hernando" To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 09:50:07 +0200 Subject: Re: [MapHist] Map Exhibitions X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new As far I have noticed, in the Iberian Peninsula, one of the earliest is Sociedade de Geographica de Lisboa, Exposicao de Cartographia Nacional (1903-1904) Catalogo sib a Direccao de Ernesto de Vasconcellos. Lisboa, 1904. The catalogue it's like a book: with introductions ang 1182 items. Regards _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. 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List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] Map Exhibition To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.07a May 14, 2001 From: hd@kb.dk Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 11:46:39 +0200 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Notes00/Kglbib(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 23-04-2003 11:46:39, Itemize by SMTP Server on Notes02/Kglbib(Release 5.0.6a |January 17, 2001) at 04/23/2003 11:46:42 AM, Serialize by Router on Notes02/Kglbib(Release 5.0.6a |January 17, 2001) at 04/23/2003 11:46:43 AM, Serialize complete at 04/23/2003 11:46:43 AM X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new From friday the 25th of april to august 27 a big map exhibition will take place at The Royal Library in Copenhagen. The theme is "Denmark on the World Map" the intention is to show history of danish cartography mostly through maps of Denmark but also works of dansih cartographers abroad. The range in time is from our first Ptolemy amuscript around 1250 to 2003 computermapping. The exibition takes place in the new building called The Black Diamond. More information on our web page http://www.kb.dk/index-en.htm Henrik Dupont The Royal Library Copenhagen _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: Re: [MapHist] Map Exhibition To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.07a May 14, 2001 From: hd@kb.dk Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 12:13:18 +0200 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Notes00/Kglbib(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 23-04-2003 12:13:20, Itemize by SMTP Server on Notes02/Kglbib(Release 5.0.6a |January 17, 2001) at 04/23/2003 12:13:27 PM, Serialize by Router on Notes02/Kglbib(Release 5.0.6a |January 17, 2001) at 04/23/2003 12:13:27 PM, Serialize complete at 04/23/2003 12:13:27 PM X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new To the exhibiton in Copenhagen there will unfortunately not be a catalogue, we have scanned alle the maps and plan to arrnage on the website a virtual exhibition of the maps shown in the exhibition this is not completed, it will be announced as soon as we reach the goal. best wishes Henrik Dupont _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: vanderkr@mail.vanderkrogt.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 19:30:23 +0200 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl (by way of Peter van der Krogt ) Subject: [MapHist] Charles Alphonso Pierrepont X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Non-member submission from [Ken Atherton ] I have received the following query from Anne Grimshaw (a.grimshaw@herts.ac.uk). Can anyone help? I am researching a Staff Officer in the British army who was employed as an Assistant Quartermaster General with Wellington's army in the Iberian Peninsula. 1808-12. His name was Charles Alphonso Pierrepont. One of his duties was to provide the army with maps. Some of his maps have have been published posthumously. Can you tell me please what, if any training, he might have had for this? (He could obviously draw well as I have seen examples of his sketches and maps.) What instruments he would have used for such work? (Bearing in mind he was on horseback with possibly a pack mule.) How would map-making at this time have differed from surveying? What measurements were in common use then? Is there a museum where I could see instruments such as he might have used? I look forward to hearing from you. Anne Grimshaw -- Ken Atherton British Cartographic Society Administration 12 Elworthy Drive Wellington Somerset TA21 9AT UK Tel/Fax 01823 665 775 http://www.cartography.org.uk _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Paul Hughes" To: Subject: RE: [MapHist] Charles Alphonso Pierrepont Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 20:40:26 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new He may have had something to do with a onetime island in the River Trent, Lincolnshire, United Kingdom. Pierrepont Island, near Trent Falls, appears on the early Ordnance Survey One Inch series. Check out my web site: http://www.airmynyorks.co.uk Captain Paul Hughes 106 High Street Airmyn Yorkshire DN14 8LB -----Original Message----- From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl [mailto:owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl] Sent: 23 April 2003 18:30 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] Charles Alphonso Pierrepont Non-member submission from [Ken Atherton ] I have received the following query from Anne Grimshaw (a.grimshaw@herts.ac.uk). Can anyone help? I am researching a Staff Officer in the British army who was employed as an Assistant Quartermaster General with Wellington's army in the Iberian Peninsula. 1808-12. His name was Charles Alphonso Pierrepont. One of his duties was to provide the army with maps. Some of his maps have have been published posthumously. Can you tell me please what, if any training, he might have had for this? (He could obviously draw well as I have seen examples of his sketches and maps.) What instruments he would have used for such work? (Bearing in mind he was on horseback with possibly a pack mule.) How would map-making at this time have differed from surveying? What measurements were in common use then? Is there a museum where I could see instruments such as he might have used? I look forward to hearing from you. Anne Grimshaw -- Ken Atherton British Cartographic Society Administration 12 Elworthy Drive Wellington Somerset TA21 9AT UK Tel/Fax 01823 665 775 http://www.cartography.org.uk _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. 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List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Envelope-From: jrobson@waikato.ac.nz X-Envelope-To: Subject: [MapHist] 2004 map conference Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 08:18:57 +1200 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: 2004 map conference Thread-Index: AcMJ1ZHFbzYkXNgvRzOpMENR/ZwLeQ== From: "John Robson" To: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new

The New Zealand Map Society / Australian Map Circle Joint Conference  2004

 will be held at the University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand 8-11 February 2004

 

Combine a business trip to a Map Conference with a holiday of a lifetime in New Zealand.

 

You are invited to attend and participate in this Conference, which will focus on the

themes of historical and current mapping relevant to the Southwest Pacific.

 

The program is still to be decided. There will be two days of papers either side of a

field trip to Auckland to visit the Maritime Museum there and the Royal NZ Navy’s

Hydrographic department.

 

The conference will be of particular interest to map librarians, collectors of old maps

 and academic geographers.

 

Call for Papers.

The Conference Committee invites proposals for papers. Each presenter will be allotted

approx. 40 minutes, including question time.  The conference venue contains all

presentation facilities, including PC (for PowerPoint, Flash etc demonstrations and

presentations) video projection, slide and O/H projectors.  A technician will be on

hand to assist.  Please submit proposals for papers by 29 August 2003.  Proposals

should include a short abstract, affiliation details, brief biography, requests for any

special facilities, and contact details.

 

Details of Registration and Accommodation.

A registration brochure will be distributed in early September.  Accommodation

facilities will be available on the University of Waikato Campus in student rooms.

There are also motels in the vicinity of the Campus.

 

Alternative activities.

Other activities will be arranged for partners and friends accompanying participants.

Possibilities include trips to Rotorua, Waitomo Glow worm caves, Otorohanga Bird

house, Hamilton Gardens and the Waikato Museum.

 

Contact:

John Robson,                                                                      

Map Librarian, University of Waikato,

Private Bag 3105, Hamilton, New Zealand.                                     

Ph. 00- 64-7-856-2889  ext. 6625                                                                         

Email: jrobson@waikato.ac.nz          

 

 

 

 

 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Matthew Champion" To: Subject: RE: [MapHist] Charles Alphonso Pierrepont Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 21:36:41 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new The questions raised, as usual, tend to lead to further questions. If Pierrepont was a staff officer he may well have belonged to the small but growing number of Staff officers who attended Wycombe College (the precursor to Sandhurst which was established as the royal Military College in 1799). It is believed that these 'professional' soldiers did receive a very basic and rudimentary training in the use of ciphers, maps, map-making and signals. However, if Pierrepont was not a Wycombite (along with the vast majority of British Officers during the Peninsular campaign) then his official training is likely to have been non-existent. As an AQMG it would be most probable that Pierrepont was a Wycombite, as most of them were, and he would have had a number of close associates in the QMG's Department who had some experience of basic cartography. However, due to the appalling state of many of the maps of the peninsular being used by the British army at the beginning of the campaign, it is unlikely that any AQMG with a good eye for detail and a very basic understanding of cartography would not be encouraged to produce maps for the army. One particular map issued to the army in the early years of the war (so the story goes) did not even show the massive fortress town of Badajoz. I can only suggest that you contact the National Army Museum in Chelsea who may well have further information. The other questions posed by Anne can probably be far better answered by other members of the list. Matthew J. Champion TIMESCAPE -----Original Message----- From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl [mailto:owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl] Sent: 23 April 2003 18:30 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] Charles Alphonso Pierrepont Non-member submission from [Ken Atherton ] I have received the following query from Anne Grimshaw (a.grimshaw@herts.ac.uk). Can anyone help? I am researching a Staff Officer in the British army who was employed as an Assistant Quartermaster General with Wellington's army in the Iberian Peninsula. 1808-12. His name was Charles Alphonso Pierrepont. One of his duties was to provide the army with maps. Some of his maps have have been published posthumously. Can you tell me please what, if any training, he might have had for this? (He could obviously draw well as I have seen examples of his sketches and maps.) What instruments he would have used for such work? (Bearing in mind he was on horseback with possibly a pack mule.) How would map-making at this time have differed from surveying? What measurements were in common use then? Is there a museum where I could see instruments such as he might have used? I look forward to hearing from you. Anne Grimshaw -- Ken Atherton British Cartographic Society Administration 12 Elworthy Drive Wellington Somerset TA21 9AT UK Tel/Fax 01823 665 775 http://www.cartography.org.uk _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: F.Herbert@RGS.org To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Cc: lis-maps@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: RE: [MapHist] Charles Alphonso Pierrepont Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 09:31:01 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Strange that two (?) different persons working on the same man do not seem to be linked to each other in their research! Here below is the pertinent section of a preliminary reply I sent to Mrs Ann Sutherland (Convenor, Map Curators' Group, British Cartographic Society) on 15 February this year, following her 16 January request to me for guidance:- "[I started on this reply two weeks ago . . . ]. Firstly the (theoretically) annual 'The Army List': gives you dates of appointment, promotion, where regiment stationed, when shot (etc.). Is there a set in SRO? Secondly, there is the National Army Museum (Chelsea) which has an increasingly online catalogue system; I don't know whether a similar institution (obviously with a Scottish emphasis), I visited about 6 years ago, in Edinburgh Castle might help. Thirdly RUSI ( = The Royal United Service Institution), whose surviving library is in BL (something of it is online, Peter Barber announced on 'MapHist' last year or 2001). Fourthly, if his MS maps/plans were being sent back to London for lithographic printing at QMG's Office on Horse Guard's, you have only to consult Ian Mumford's PhD thesis - in either Reading Univ. or in BL Map Library - on the early days of lithography applied to cartography! No clues amongst all the George Murray Papers in NLS? There are, of course, tens of thousands of entries reproduced from thousands of biographical dictionaries in the K.G. Saur series of microfiche sets, accessible either through the hard copy series 'British biographical index = Britischer biographischer Index', 2nd cumulative & enl. ed. (Muenchen : Saur, 1998), ISBN 3-598-33630-6 [for example], or online [http://www.biblio.tu-bs.de/acwww25u/wbi_en/]. If you know he lost his life in the Burgos battle, there must be retrievable journal articles - if not books - on just that particular one and/or period leading up to it. Have you asked Valerie if she has revised info for the 'New Tooley' that she may divulge to you; or did she advise you await publication later this year?!" Francis Herbert f.herbert@rgs.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl [mailto:owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl] Sent: 23 April 2003 18:30 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] Charles Alphonso Pierrepont Non-member submission from [Ken Atherton ] I have received the following query from Anne Grimshaw (a.grimshaw@herts.ac.uk). Can anyone help? I am researching a Staff Officer in the British army who was employed as an Assistant Quartermaster General with Wellington's army in the Iberian Peninsula. 1808-12. His name was Charles Alphonso Pierrepont. One of his duties was to provide the army with maps. Some of his maps have have been published posthumously. Can you tell me please what, if any training, he might have had for this? (He could obviously draw well as I have seen examples of his sketches and maps.) What instruments he would have used for such work? (Bearing in mind he was on horseback with possibly a pack mule.) How would map-making at this time have differed from surveying? What measurements were in common use then? Is there a museum where I could see instruments such as he might have used? I look forward to hearing from you. Anne Grimshaw -- Ken Atherton British Cartographic Society Administration 12 Elworthy Drive Wellington Somerset TA21 9AT UK Tel/Fax 01823 665 775 http://www.cartography.org.uk _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: F.Herbert@RGS.org To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: RE: [MapHist] Map Exhibitions Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 09:49:05 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new

Dear Paul (and Augustin),

 

What was your research methodology to find these exhibition dates and catalogues?  (If this is too embarrassing to answer publicly, never mind!).   Because, when I looked in the 'General index' to 'The history of cartography, vol. 1' ed. by J.B. Harley & D.A. Woodward (Chicago ; London, 1987), ISBN 0-226-31633-5, I found an entry for "Exhibitions, cartographic, 21-22".  These pages form part of J. Brian Harley's introductory 'The map and the development of the history of cartography'.  On page 21 ref. no. 170 (for example) begins:-

 

"'Petermanns Geographische Mitteilungen' is a reliable source for the recording of map exhibitions after 1855." [NB: this is not to imply that the production of accompanying catalogues to those exhibitions are cited by Petermann.  As this Society's 'PGM' are still inaccessibly out-stored I cannot possibly check]

 

Ref. no. 171 refers to the BM [i.e. BL]'s 15-volume 'Catalogue of printed maps, charts, and plans' (London, 1967 etc.) and its listing of exhibition catalogues in vol. 15 (etc.): this is searchable, I imagine, via either the BL Map Library's CD-ROM catalogue or on-line. 

 

Francis

f.herbert@rgs.org

http://www.rgs.org [see 'Collections'/'Unlocking the Archives']

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul van den Brink [mailto:P.vandenBrink@geog.uu.nl]
Sent: 22 April 2003 14:24
To: maphist@geog.uu.nl
Subject: [MapHist] Map Exhibitions

 

While preparing my paper for the Boston conference (on the political means of late 19th and early 20th century map-exhibitions), I studied (sofar) the map shows (and supporting catalogues) in Antwerp (1871), Paris (1875, 1889), Venice (1881), Bern (1891), London (1895) etc. held on the occasion of the International Geographic Conferences. I was wondering however if anyone can tell me when was the first exhibition (with an accompanying catalogue) of (early) maps? 

 

Paul van den Brink

 

Utrecht

 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Barber, Peter" To: "Maphist (E-mail)" Subject: [MapHist] Charles Alphonso Pierrepont Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 10:53:18 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new The British Library has numerous examples of lithographed maps produced during the Peninsular War, but the following British Library manuscript may be of interest to those who are interested in the sort of training received by military cadets in the early years of the nineteenth century (when artists of the calibre of William Alexander also taught the cadets how to draw): MILITARY CARTOGRAPHY. Volume of hill sketches etc. executed by or for Lt. G. Baker, 16th Light Dragoons, Feb. - April 1816. The volume also includes two tables of resources for military encampments in the neighbourhoods of High Wycombe and Marlow, co. Bucks, a sketch of a table of winter quarters in the vicinity of High Wycombe, and a plan of the bay of Algiers [aft. 1816]. The volume originally included four sketch plans of villages in Surrey, now forming part of South-West London, ca. 1825, one of military encampments in the vicinity of Windsor and another of the road from Truxillo to Merida [ca. 1809-1814?]. These were sold by Abbott & Holder (List 321, October 1998). The sketches would seem to be exercises in draughtsmanship, possibly connected with the military academy at High Wycombe or at Marlow. Pen, ink colour washes on paper. Purchased from Abbott & Holder, October 1998. Add. MS 74271 Best wishes Peter Barber *********************************************************************** Peter Barber MA, FSA, FRHistS Head of Map Collections Map Library The British Library 96 Euston Road London NW1 2DB tel.: [44] 020 7412 7701 fax: [44] 020 7412 7780 *********************************************************************** ************************************************************************** Coming soon to the British Library Galleries Painted Labyrinth : the world of the Lindisfarne Gospels From 16 May to 28 September 2003 ************************************************************************* The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the postmaster@bl.uk : The contents of this e-mail must not be disclosed or copied without the sender's consent. 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List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: krogt@pop.geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 12:01:52 +0200 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl (by way of Peter van der Krogt ) Subject: [MapHist] OML Hours during ICHC 2003 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Non-member submission from ["Matthew Edney" ] (Matthew not a member?, Peter) Dear All: The Osher Map Library and Smith Center for Cartographic Collection will be closed to researchers between Friday, 13 June 2003 and Friday, 20 June 2003. This is to allow all staff to participate in the 20th International Conference on the History of Cartography. Any researchers who wish to use the map library can do so on Saturday, 21 June 2003, from 10.00 until 16.30. If you intend to use the library on that day, we would appreciate some warning: please send an indication of your specific interests to George Carhart, cartographic associate, at oml@usm.maine.edu, by 1 June 2003. We are sorry for any inconvenience this might cause. Matthew Edney ----------------------------------------------------------- Matthew Edney Associate Professor (207) 780-4767 Geography-Anthropology fax (207) 780-5310 American & New England Studies edney@usm.maine.edu check it out: http://usm.maine.edu/maps/ http://usm.maine.edu/maps/edney/ Osher Map Library & Smith Center for Cartographic Education University of Southern Maine P.O. Box 9301, Portland, ME 04104-9301 ----------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 12:21:30 +0200 Subject: Re: [MapHist] OML Hours during ICHC 2003 From: Philippe Forêt To: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Dear Matthew, Thank you for the information. If possible that Saturday, I would be interested in examining maps you may have of the Transhimalayan mountains, since I am writing book on the mapping of the area. Best regards, Philippe Philippe Foret, PhD pforet@bluewin.ch Swiss National Science Foundation Research Fellow Institute of Cartography, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology, Zurich Le 24.4.2003 12:01, « by way of Peter van der Krogt  » a écrit : > Non-member submission from ["Matthew Edney" > ] (Matthew not a member?, Peter) > > > Dear All: > > The Osher Map Library and Smith Center for Cartographic > Collection will be closed to researchers between Friday, 13 June > 2003 and Friday, 20 June 2003. This is to allow all staff to > participate in the 20th International Conference on the History of > Cartography. > > Any researchers who wish to use the map library can do so on > Saturday, 21 June 2003, from 10.00 until 16.30. If you intend to use > the library on that day, we would appreciate some warning: please > send an indication of your specific interests to George Carhart, > cartographic associate, at oml@usm.maine.edu, by 1 June 2003. > > We are sorry for any inconvenience this might cause. > > Matthew Edney > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Matthew Edney > > Associate Professor (207) 780-4767 > Geography-Anthropology fax (207) 780-5310 > American & New England Studies edney@usm.maine.edu > > check it out: http://usm.maine.edu/maps/ > http://usm.maine.edu/maps/edney/ > > Osher Map Library & Smith Center for Cartographic Education > University of Southern Maine > P.O. Box 9301, Portland, ME 04104-9301 > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.info _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: vanderkr@mail.vanderkrogt.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 13:35:19 +0200 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl (by way of Peter van der Krogt ) Subject: [MapHist] Cambridge History of Cartography Seminar X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Non-member submission from [Andy Merrills ] CAMBRIDGE UNIVERSITY HISTORY OF CARTOGRAPHY SEMINAR The programme for Easter term is as follows: Wednesday 7th May. Bob Headland (Scott Polar Research Institute, Cambridge): 'Unveiling the Antarctic' Wednesday 21st May. Georgina Enfield (School of Geography, University of Nottingham): 'Images of contested space: litigation, land and maps in Colonial Mexico' Please note: Seminars will now take place in the Chetwynd Room of King's College, Cambridge (and not the Munby Room as was the case last term) Papers will start at 5pm. All very welcome. For further information, please contact Andy Merrills at ahm21@hermes.cam.ac.uk. _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: vanderkr@mail.vanderkrogt.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 18:45:12 +0200 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "ws" (by way of Peter van der Krogt ) Subject: [MapHist] Atlas von Marienburg X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new (Sent to the wrong address, Peter) Ich möchte alle Teilnehmer von der Maphist Dissk. Gruppe informieren, dass gestern von dem Nicolaus Copernicus Verlag zu Thorn der Historischer Atlas von Marienburg veröffentlicht wurde. Das ist das 5. Heft der grossen polnischer Edition: Atlas der polnischer Städten (zweisprachlich: polnisch und deutsch). Siehe: www.uni.torun.pl (ksiêgarnia). Wies³aw Sieradzan _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Maura O'Connor" To: "'maphist@geog.uu.nl'" Subject: RE: [MapHist] orphans folding maps? Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 11:29:06 +1000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Dear Al and anyone else interested! Maps of the rabbit proof fences, in Western Australia, do exist and the collection I manage has a number of them if anyone is interested in copies. There were/are at least two fences, possibly a third - I cannot remember. There is also a dingo fence running between Queensland and NSW, which is regularly patrolled. Yours sincerely Maura O'Connor Map Curator National Library of Australia CANBERRA ACT 2600 AUSTRALIA Phone : 61 2 6262 1280 Fax : 61 2 6262 1653 Email : moconnor@nla.gov.au > ---------- > From: Al Magary[SMTP:al@magary.com] > Reply To: maphist@geog.uu.nl > Sent: Saturday, 19 April 2003 3:20 PM > To: maphist@geog.uu.nl > Subject: Re: [MapHist] orphans folding maps? > > In this connection may I point out the release of the video of > "Rabbit-Proof Fence," an Australian film released in the US in > 11/02 about the real-life escape of three young Aborigine girls > from an assimilation center in 1931. Australian government > policy at the time (much like US policy on American Indians) > insisted on "civilizing" the natives and, in the film, > particularly half-castes. A make-work task for these > semi-orphans (they were yanked away from their families) may > well have been folding maps, but I actually have something > different to remark on. > > In a thousand-mile trek in western Australia, on their way from > the "Moore River" settlement north to their home in "Jigalong" > near the Great Sandy Desert, the girls follow a fence that was > erected to keep the rapidly growing rabbit population away > cropland and gardens. The fence was begun about 1905 and is > apparently still in use. I looked for the fence on a couple of > stray maps of Australia I have--nothing authoritative--but don't > see the fence line. In maps shown in the film, the fence is > shown as a straight line from the coast east, then straight > south, so I was wondering if the rabbit-proof fence has become a > permanent mark on the landscape--like a berm or hedgerow-- with > parallel maintenance road, telephone line, etc., or whether it's > a transient feature. > > Al Magary > > > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.info > _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "tony campbell" To: "*Lismaps" , "*MapHist" Cc: "Catherine Delano Smith" Subject: [MapHist] 'Maps & Society' talk this Thursday Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 12:29:59 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new 'Maps and Society' Lectures =================== Lectures in the history of cartography convened by Tony Campbell (formerly Map Library, British Library) and Catherine Delano Smith (Institute of Historical Research, University of London). Meetings are held at the Warburg Institute, University of London, Woburn Square, London WC1H OAB, at 5.00 pm on a Thursday. Admission is free and each meeting is followed by refreshments. All are *most* welcome. Enquiries: +44 (0)20 8346 5112 (Catherine Delano Smith) or Tony Campbell < t.campbell@ockendon.clara.co.uk >. The full programme is also available at < http://ihr.sas.ac.uk/maps/warburgprog.html >. TWELFTH SERIES Remainder of the 2002-2003 programme: May 1. René Tebel (Doctoral candidate, University of Vienna). The signficance of the ship image on early modern maps from the 10th to the 17th centuries. May 29. Dr Daniel Connolly (Franke Humanities Institute, University of Chicago). The performance of history in the itinerary map of Matthew Paris. -------------------------- This programme has been made possible through the generous sponsorship of The International Map Collectors' Society, Jonathan Potter of Jonathan Potter Ltd., and Laurence Worms of Ash Rare Books. It is supported by Imago Mundi: the International Journal for the History of Cartography. Displays for each lecture, at the Royal Geographical Society, are arranged by Francis Herbert, Hon. F.R.G.S. 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List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "ws" To: Subject: [MapHist] Atlas von Marienburg Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 08:31:03 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.9 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.30 (www.roaringpenguin.com/mimedefang) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new
Ich möchte alle Teilnehmer von der Maphist Dissk. Gruppe informieren, dass
gestern von dem Nicolaus Copernicus Verlag zu Thorn der Historischer Atlas
von Marienburg veröffentlicht wurde. Das ist das 5. Heft der grossen
polnischer Edition:  Atlas der polnischer Städten (zweisprachlich: polnisch
und deutsch). Siehe: <http://www.uni.torun.pl>www.uni.torun.pl (ksiêgarnia).
Wies³aw Sieradzan
 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 08:54:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Jay Lester Subject: [MapHist] Need help ID an OCTAGONAL c1864 map of Richmond, VA vicinity To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Greetings, A friend cataloguing some maps would like any additional information that can be provided for the following undated, untitled octagonal map centered on Richmond, VA that includes an approximately 200 mile radius around Richmond. "orientation of north is at approximately "1 o'clock". There are 32 portraits of Union officers outside the neat line. "The portraits are in groups of 4 on each side of the border. Centered in each side are circled numbers, running counterclockwise. Circled 1 and 2 are at the bottom right ("4 o'clock") and describe Maj. Gen. McClellan [Ohio volunteers], Lieut. Gen. Grant, Maj. Gen. W.T. Sherman, and Maj. Gen. Hooker. Circled 15 and 16 are at "6 o'clock", describing Admiral Foote, Adm. Porter, Adm. Rowan, and Admiral Farragut (all U.S.N.). Others include [in no particular order] A.E. Burnside, W.S. Hancock, and other Union soldiers. Square brackets in the above paragraph indicate my own findings...It's printed in black and white with hand colored water; no scale. Probably lithographed." Map 37 x 37 without decorative border; 48 x 48 including border Regards, Jay L. Jay Lester Chapel Hill, NC http://www.cummingmapsociety.org http://www.oldmapshop.com http://www.washmap.org __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: vanderkr@mail.vanderkrogt.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 18:02:42 +0200 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl (by way of Peter van der Krogt ) Subject: [MapHist] Silk map X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Non-member submission from [Ralph Salomon ] (Ralph is probably subscribed with an other address, Peter) Sorry for any cross-posting. A client has brought me a world map done on silk and dated 1819. A family heirloom. I know nothing about maps done on this materiel. It is quite faded in spots and the silk is either torn or quite thin. Some of the stitching is missing. Other parts are hand colored. Can anyone refer me to a source in the New York City area where my client might get an appraisal and/or repair? Thanks. -- Ralph Salomon WorldView Antique Maps 113 Todd Rd. Katonah, NY 10536 Web Site: www.worldviewmaps.com Email: salomon@worldviewmaps.com Tel: 914.232.6142 or Toll-Free: 866.368.6277 Fax: 914.232.9008 _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: F.Herbert@RGS.org To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: RE: [MapHist] Need help ID an OCTAGONAL c1864 map of Richmond, VA vicinity Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 17:08:48 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Jay: Are you telling us implicitly that this map is not listed in Library of Congress's holdings (e.g. in the 'Civil War maps' volume, 2nd ed., by Richard Stephenson, 1989, ISBN 0-8444-0598-1) or online catalogs? (Although I'm not presuming it's of Civil War era) Francis f.herbert@rgs.org http://www.rgs.org [see 'Collections'/'Unlocking the Archives'] -----Original Message----- From: Jay Lester [mailto:mapsguy@yahoo.com] Sent: 29 April 2003 16:54 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] Need help ID an OCTAGONAL c1864 map of Richmond, VA vicinity Greetings, A friend cataloguing some maps would like any additional information that can be provided for the following undated, untitled octagonal map centered on Richmond, VA that includes an approximately 200 mile radius around Richmond. "orientation of north is at approximately "1 o'clock". There are 32 portraits of Union officers outside the neat line. "The portraits are in groups of 4 on each side of the border. Centered in each side are circled numbers, running counterclockwise. Circled 1 and 2 are at the bottom right ("4 o'clock") and describe Maj. Gen. McClellan [Ohio volunteers], Lieut. Gen. Grant, Maj. Gen. W.T. Sherman, and Maj. Gen. Hooker. Circled 15 and 16 are at "6 o'clock", describing Admiral Foote, Adm. Porter, Adm. Rowan, and Admiral Farragut (all U.S.N.). Others include [in no particular order] A.E. Burnside, W.S. Hancock, and other Union soldiers. Square brackets in the above paragraph indicate my own findings...It's printed in black and white with hand colored water; no scale. Probably lithographed." Map 37 x 37 without decorative border; 48 x 48 including border Regards, Jay L. Jay Lester Chapel Hill, NC http://www.cummingmapsociety.org http://www.oldmapshop.com http://www.washmap.org __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. 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List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: DSloanRareBooks@aol.com Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 12:21:54 EDT Subject: Re: [MapHist] Need help ID an OCTAGONAL c1864 map of Richmond, VA vicinity To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10641 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Dear Mr. Lester:

Check these:

http://www.mdarchives.state.md.us/msa/speccol/1399/reports/html/364m5.html

http://www.clements.umich.edu/dup/images/dc217.jpg

Dorothy Sloan X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.7.1 Beta Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 13:01:29 -0400 From: "Edward James Redmond" To: Subject: RE: [MapHist] Need help ID an OCTAGONAL c1864 map of Richmond, VAvicinity X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new
Jay and others:
 
I have pawed (that's a technical term) through our "Civil War Maps: An Annotated Checklist" bibliography suggested by Francis and the subject map does not appear to listed.  
 
Ed Redmond
 
 
 
 
Ed Redmond
Reference Specialist
Geography and Map Division
Library of Congress
101 Independence Ave, SE
Washington, DC 20540-4650
(202) 707-8548
ered@loc.gov


>>> F.Herbert@RGS.org 04/29/03 12:08PM >>>


Jay:

Are you telling us implicitly that this map is not listed in Library of
Congress's holdings (e.g. in the 'Civil War maps' volume, 2nd ed., by
Richard Stephenson, 1989, ISBN 0-8444-0598-1) or online catalogs? (Although
I'm not presuming it's of Civil War era)

Francis
f.herbert@rgs.org
http://www.rgs.org [see 'Collections'/'Unlocking the Archives']


-----Original Message-----
From: Jay Lester [ mailto:mapsguy@yahoo.com]
Sent: 29 April 2003 16:54
To: maphist@geog.uu.nl
Subject: [MapHist] Need help ID an OCTAGONAL c1864 map of Richmond, VA
vicinity

Greetings,

A friend cataloguing some maps would like any additional information
that can be provided for the following undated, untitled octagonal map
centered on Richmond, VA that includes an approximately 200 mile radius
around Richmond.

"orientation of
north is at approximately "1

There are 32 portraits of Union officers outside the neat line.
"The portraits are in groups of 4 on each side of the border. Centered
in
each side are circled numbers, running counterclockwise. Circled 1 and
2
are at the bottom right ("4 o'clock") and describe Maj. Gen. McClellan
[Ohio volunteers], Lieut. Gen. Grant, Maj. Gen. W.T. Sherman, and
Maj. Gen. Hooker. Circled 15 and 16 are at "6 o'clock", describing
Admiral
Foote, Adm. Porter, Adm. Rowan, and Admiral Farragut (all U.S.N.).
Others
include [in no particular order] A.E. Burnside, W.S. Hancock, and other
Union soldiers. Square brackets in the above paragraph indicate my own
findings...It's printed in black and white
with hand colored water; no scale. Probably
Map 37 x 37 without decorative border; 48 x 48 including border

Regards,
Jay L.

Jay Lester
Chapel Hill, NC

http://www.cummingmapsociety.org
http://www.oldmapshop.com
http://www.washmap.org

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X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "John Woram" To: Subject: RE: [MapHist] Need help ID an OCTAGONAL c1864 map of Richmond, VA vicinity Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 13:43:11 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by WebHouse, Inc. http://www.webhse.com for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Is this it? http://www.mdarchives.state.md.us/msa/speccol/1399/reports/html/364m5. html http://www.clements.umich.edu/dup/indx5.html (Scroll down to item 217 for "view image" link) John Woram --- This E-mail was scanned for viruses by WebHouse, Inc. http://www.webhse.com _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.UU.NL Delivered-To: maphist@geog.UU.NL Subject: [MapHist] here there be dragons update To: maphist@geog.UU.NL X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.4 June 8, 2000 From: "ahudson" Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 15:59:32 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on MHTMAIL02/MHT/Nypl(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 04/29/2003 03:59:33 PM X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new The New York Times today has an outstanding article on the dragon motif in different cultures. NYT, Science Times, p. F1-2. "From Many Imaginiations, one fearsome creature." Alice C. Hudson Chief, Map Division The Humanities and Social Sciences Library The New York Public Library 5th Avenue & 42nd Street, Room 117 New York, NY 10018-2788 ahudson@nypl.org; 212-930-0589; fax 212-930-0027 http://nypl.org/research/chss/map/map.html The true meaning of life is to plant trees, under whose shade you do not expect to sit. - Nelson Henderson _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: jsk@pop.gamewood.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 19:51:29 -0400 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Joel Kovarsky Subject: [MapHist] Sneden Civil War Collection on Learning Channel X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new I thought I'd post the following announcement, received from the Virginia Historical Society. Sneden's work was featured in the Jan/Feb 2003 Mercator's World, p. 42: He Swallowed His Maps.

               Joel Kovarsky

The Robert Knox Sneden collection, one of the most significant Civil War
discoveries to date, owned by the Virginia Historical Society and the
subject of two books, the bestseller, Eye of the Storm (The Free Press,
2000), and also Images from the Storm (The Free Press, 2001), will be
featured as part of The Learning Channel's documentary series, Hunt for
Amazing Treasures, airing May 1, 2003, 9:00 pm eastern daylight time.
The program focuses on the incredible twists and turns of fate that
brought this collection to light and eventually to the Virginia
Historical Society, as well as the authors who edited Sneden's
5,000-page memoir and 1,000 watercolors into the two books.
 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: vanderkr@mail.vanderkrogt.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 09:42:18 +0200 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl (by way of Peter van der Krogt ) Subject: Re: [MapHist] here there be dragons update X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Non-member submission from [Ben Frank ] (he's probably subscribed with a different address, Peter) Alice, I do not get the Times down here in Bowie, MD. Would you possibly have a web site address for this article? I would appreciate it. Ben Frank, a Maphist lurker. -- Benis M. Frank _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: F.Herbert@RGS.org To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Cc: libergdc-dg@bravo.nls.uk Subject: [MapHist] Malby/Wyld terrestrrial globe (1852) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 17:10:28 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new

 

            This is copied to the Groupe des Cartothécaires of LIBER [ = Ligue des Bibliotheques Européennes de Recherche]. 

 

 

I am seeking enlightenment . . . on whether anyone knows of the existence of examples - as either gores or hemispheres - of the 36-inch (or 91.4 cm if you are metric) terrestrial globe 'The Educational, or London Colossus Globe compiled . . . by Thos. Malby' (London : James Wyld, 1852). 

 

This is not listed in 'British globes up to 1850 : a provisional inventory' by Richard Dunn and Helen Wallis (London, 1999).  And, before you point out the cut-off date, permit me to note that some globes listed therein are (inevitably, due partly to undated items) around - or *after* - 1850.  One of the world's globular oracles - Dr Peter van der Krogt - confirmed to me on Monday (28 April) that a similar globe of 1849 in Utrecht University is not a Malby/Wyld.  Whilst I await a communication from Jan Mokre of the Globenmuseum and of the International Coronelli Society for the Study of Globes (Vienna), I thought it worthwhile to publicize this search to all MapHist and LIBER GdC subscribers.

 

PS: I have a self-made listing of the globe gores in the Geography and Map Division, Library of Congress, thanks.

 

Thankyou.

Francis Herbert (Curator of Maps [and globular objects], RGS-IBG)

f.herbert@rgs.org

http://www.rgs.org [see 'Collections'/'Unlocking the Archives']

 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: DSloanRareBooks@aol.com Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 12:55:25 EDT Subject: Re: [MapHist] Need help ID an OCTAGONAL c1864 map of Richmond, VA vicinity To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10641 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Dear Mr. Lester,

You piqued my curiosity with your query about the unusual octagonal map.  I discovered a few more speculative tidbits that may be of interest.

1.  High Ridge in 1986 (Catalogue 9) offered the map with this comment:  "An octagonal map, perhaps a game, with 32 portraits of Union generals, map is possibly by Magnus."

2.  The Eberstadts in 1937 (Catalogue 107, Item 102) offered the following which may be related to the map:

CONFEDERATE. Magnus (Chas.).  Playing Card Portraits of Famous Confederate Personalities. [New York, 186-].  2 1/2 x 3 1/2 inches.  24 separate portraits each engraved in red and black.  Mentioned, but not seen, by Hargrave. These are the famous cards apparently surreptitiously engraved by Magnus and smuggled into the Confederacy when, near the end of the war, the facilities for their manufacture were lacking in the South. The back of each card contains the portrait of a noted Confederate, the recto being left blank to permit the writing in of the various figures essential to a deck of cards, thus enabling the purchaser to evade the high tax there being levied on the wicked pasteboards. Among the portraits are those of Jefferson Davis, Alex. H. Stevens, Lee, Beauregard, "Stonewall" Jackson, Braxton Bragg, Johnston, and Sterling Price.

Dorothy Sloan