X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 12:52:03 -0600 From: Far West Maps & Books X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] Rocky Mountain Antique Map Fair X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Map Lovers, I am pleased to announce that the Third Annual Rocky Mountain Antique Map Fair will be held on September 20, 2003, at the Denver Public Library 13th Ave. & Broadway in downtown Denver, Colorado. It will be open to the public from 9 AM until 5 PM and will be a single day show. Admission is $5.00 at the door. The Map Fair is sponsored by the Rocky Mountain Map Society and the Denver Public Library Friends Foundation. The last two Fairs have been very successful and enjoyable for dealers and patrons alike. In order to provide adequate space for sellers and buyers, we will again limit the number of dealers to twenty-two. We currently have twenty dealers scheduled to exhibit. An announcement will be made in early July regarding who will fill the available spaces. In addition to the dealers, there will be an informational booth by the Library of Congress Geography and Maps division and a Society table, where members of the Rocky Mountain Map Society will offer items from their personal collections. Hotel accommodation will again be arranged through the Brown Palace – Comfort Inn. More specific information is available on request or at our website www.rmmaps.org . A pre-fair banquet will be held on Friday evening, 9/19/03 in the Brown Palace Ballroom. Paul Cohen of Arkway Antique Maps, and author of the recently published book Mapping the West, America's Westward Movement 1524 - 1890, will offer a brief presentation. Autumn in the Rockies is beautiful. We hope to see you there. If I can answer any questions or address any concerns, please don’t hesitate to contact me at farwesttc@sisna.com . Thank You Myron West Coordinator - Rocky Mountain Antique Map Fair EXHIBITORS Old World Auctions Sedona, AZ oldworldauctions.com Old Map Gallery Denver CO Oldmapgallery.com Martayan Lan New York NY maytayanlan.com Dumont Maps & Books Santa Fe NM dumontbooks.com WorldView Antique Maps, LLC Katonah, New York worldviewmaps.com Antiquariat Reinhold Berg Regensburg Germany bergbook.com The Old Print Shop, Inc. New York NY oldprintshop.net Barry Lawrence Ruderman Antique Maps Inc. La Jolla, CA raremaps.com Old Maps and Prints Fort Worth TX americamaps.com Far West Maps & Books Cheyenne WY 82001 Farwestmaps.com Terra Firma Antique Maps San Diego CA jgubbins@san.rr.com Alexandre Antique Maps Prints & Books Toronto Ontario Canada alexandremaps.com Thomas Hotter Gallery Cambridge WI tshottergallery@smallbytes.net Rare Antique Maps Forum White Plains NY RAMFORUM@aol.com Sandra & John Berryman Fine Books Ormond Beach FL BiblioSandy@worldnet.att.net Clive A Burden LTD Rickmansworth, Herts, UK CABurden.com Richard B. Arkway Inc. New York, NY Arkway.com Reid & Wright Book Center New Preston, CT Reidbook.com Riddell Rare Maps & Fine Prints Dallas TX Todd P. Cooper Antique Maps & Prints Yorba Linda, CA Coopermaps.com Library of Congress Geography & Map Division Washington DC pvanee@loc.gov _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: vanderkr@mail.vanderkrogt.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 11:34:30 +0200 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl (by way of Peter van der Krogt ) Subject: [MapHist] Reprints of Cuba maps in "Histoire physique ... de Cuba" ed. by Ramon de la Sagra, 1838-1857 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new [Not distributed automatically because the message had an attachment (in this case the Vcard which is automatically added by some e-mail programs. P.S. From 9-25 June I will be in Iceland and the USA for the ICHC conference. I don't think I will have much chance in this period to redirect bounced messages as this one. And now Theo Bauer's message Peter] Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 11:23:47 +0200 From: "Theodor Bauer" Dear all, does anybody hold information to identify the three maps of Cuba, reprinted on Tabula V in "Histoire physique, politique et naturelle de l' ile de Cuba : Atlas" ed. by Ramon de la Sagra, 1838-1857 ? Our library unfortunately only has three volumes of tables lacking any text at all. I found Tabula III and IV described in: Cuba in old maps by Emilio Cueto but could get no trace of the fifth reproduction as told above, but had no success searching David Rumsey Collection, Biblioteca nacional de Espana, some bibliographies like Tooley e.a. and could get no access to GeoWeb of Biblioteca Marciana. The No. 1 of this tabula resembles very much to Gastaldis 1548 and/or Rucellis 1561 map as it gives the same scale of latitudes reaching from 24°N through the "Tropico De Cancro" to 21°N but the name inside the island is given differently as "ISOLA DI CVBA". No. 2 is a smaller image of the island with the name "CVBA INSVLA" printed in the middle and names written in Latin/Spanish (?) like "Jardines scopuli nauigantibus formidabiles" under the South coast. No. 3 finally is taken from a Spanish (manuscript ?) map and has no resemblance with any of the maps shown in Cueto. It has no title either but "CVBA" written in the lower East end of the island (near what is today Guantanamo Bay). Sorry, I cannot provide images by mail but could probably do so by fax, if someone has got a clue but would need visual confirmation. I should be very gratefull for help. Theo Bauer Theo Bauer Bayerische Staatsbibliothek München Abteilung Karten und Bilder Ludwigstraße 16 80539 München Postanschrift: 80328 München Tel.: 0049/(0)89-28638-2346 Fax: 0049/(0)89-28638-2925 e-mail: theodor.bauer@bsb-muenchen.de _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: F.Herbert@RGS.org To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: RE: [MapHist] Reprints of Cuba maps in "Histoire physique ... de Cuba" ed. by Ramon de la Sagra, 1838-1857 Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 11:09:58 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Dear Theo (and any other interested MapHist subscribers), We have the Spanish language edition of Ramon de la Sagra's multi-volume work 'Historia fisica, politica y natural de la Isla de Cuba' The 'Primera parte : historia fisica y politica : atlas geografico' (Paris : Arthus Bertrand, 1842) starts, on pages [1]-2, with 'Indice de los mapas del atlas', from which I transcribe (less the diacritcs) the description of your Tabula V:- Fig. 1a. - Plano de la isla de Cuba de Paolo Forlano de 1564 (pag. 20). Fig. 2a. - Isla de Cuba de una carta de Teodoro Bry de 1594 (pag. 24). Fig. 3a. - La misma isla de la gran carta manuscrita y pintada de Matheum Nerenium Pecciolem de 1604 (pag. 25). The explanation of the cited page numbers at the end of each figure is explained between the title of p.[1] and the 'Tabula' descriptions thus:- "(Las citas de paginas se refieren a la introduccion geografica, 1a parte, tomo I.)" I hope this will suffice for the moment, as I shall be leaving shortly after noon for concert performances in Birmingham and Strasbourg; back here Monday next. Best wishes Francis f.herbert@rgs.org http://www.rgs.org [see 'Collections'/'Unlocking the Archives'] -----Original Message----- From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl [mailto:owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl] Sent: 04 June 2003 10:35 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] Reprints of Cuba maps in "Histoire physique ... de Cuba" ed. by Ramon de la Sagra, 1838-1857 [Not distributed automatically because the message had an attachment (in this case the Vcard which is automatically added by some e-mail programs. P.S. From 9-25 June I will be in Iceland and the USA for the ICHC conference. I don't think I will have much chance in this period to redirect bounced messages as this one. And now Theo Bauer's message Peter] Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 11:23:47 +0200 From: "Theodor Bauer" Dear all, does anybody hold information to identify the three maps of Cuba, reprinted on Tabula V in "Histoire physique, politique et naturelle de l' ile de Cuba : Atlas" ed. by Ramon de la Sagra, 1838-1857 ? Our library unfortunately only has three volumes of tables lacking any text at all. I found Tabula III and IV described in: Cuba in old maps by Emilio Cueto but could get no trace of the fifth reproduction as told above, but had no success searching David Rumsey Collection, Biblioteca nacional de Espana, some bibliographies like Tooley e.a. and could get no access to GeoWeb of Biblioteca Marciana. The No. 1 of this tabula resembles very much to Gastaldis 1548 and/or Rucellis 1561 map as it gives the same scale of latitudes reaching from 24°N through the "Tropico De Cancro" to 21°N but the name inside the island is given differently as "ISOLA DI CVBA". No. 2 is a smaller image of the island with the name "CVBA INSVLA" printed in the middle and names written in Latin/Spanish (?) like "Jardines scopuli nauigantibus formidabiles" under the South coast. No. 3 finally is taken from a Spanish (manuscript ?) map and has no resemblance with any of the maps shown in Cueto. It has no title either but "CVBA" written in the lower East end of the island (near what is today Guantanamo Bay). Sorry, I cannot provide images by mail but could probably do so by fax, if someone has got a clue but would need visual confirmation. I should be very gratefull for help. Theo Bauer Theo Bauer Bayerische Staatsbibliothek München Abteilung Karten und Bilder Ludwigstraße 16 80539 München Postanschrift: 80328 München Tel.: 0049/(0)89-28638-2346 Fax: 0049/(0)89-28638-2925 e-mail: theodor.bauer@bsb-muenchen.de _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. 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List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: vanderkr@mail.vanderkrogt.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 19:31:36 +0200 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Peter van der Krogt Subject: [MapHist] Map Museum in Bucharest X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Dear all I received from the following information on a map museum in Bucharest, Rumania: >2. Because you are a cartographer I take the opportunity to inform you >that on April 5, this year in Bucharest was inaugurated a little maps museum. > >The name of the musum (in romanian) is: > >Muzeul naþional al hãrþilor ºi cãrþii vechi > >Str. Londra nr. 39 > >R-011762, Bucuresti > >Romania > >Best regards, > >Sorin Demetrescu YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY Dr Peter van der Krogt Map Historian, Explokart Research Program Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht P.O. Box 80.115 3508 TC UTRECHT, The Netherlands e-mail: peter@maphist.nl Homepage: MapHist: Genealogy: Elementymology: Columbus Monuments: YYYYYYYYYYYYYYY PER ANGUSTA AD AUGUSTA YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] New images of historic maps of Slovenia Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 08:23:30 +0200 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: New images of historic maps of Slovenia Thread-Index: AcMrKvugA0pwsLN/T5mil9hgZoRf2Q== From: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Renata_=A9olar?= To: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new The Map and Pictorial Collection of the National and University Library of Slovenia is pleased to announce the addition of 20 high-resolution, zoomable images on the National and University Library website. The selection of 20 historic maps of Slovenian territory is a pilot project towards the complete presentation of historic maps from the Map and Pictorial Collection. The maps cover period from 1548 to the famous "Zemljovid slovenskih de¾el in pokrajin" by Peter Kozler made in 1853. The site is currently in Slovenian, English translation will be done in near future. http://www.nuk.uni-lj.si/vstop.cgi http://www.nuk.uni-lj.si/ZbirkaZemljevidov/index.html Renata Solar Map and Pictorial Collection National and University Library Turjaska 1 1000 Ljubljana Slovenia tel.: ++ 386 1 200 11 59 e-mail: renata.solar@nuk.uni-lj.si _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: vanderkr@mail.vanderkrogt.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 17:58:48 +0200 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl (by way of Peter van der Krogt ) Subject: [MapHist] Posting (Philips' Mercantile Marine Atlas of the World) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Non-member submission from ["Robert Dumaine" ] I have recently acquired a copy of Philips' Mercantile Marine Atlas of the= World, first edition, 1904 and would like to learn more about the cartogr= apher Philips and this book. Google searches have not been helpful, other = than to lead me to your link. Can someone refer me to an online biography = of George Philips=3F Can anyone provide me information on the significance o= f his atlas to shippers and the general public. My impression is that his = atlas was an important step in the history of nautical cartography, but I = would like to know more about what his atlas contained that others before = him did not.=20 _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Barber, Peter" To: "Maphist (E-mail)" Subject: [MapHist] City Panoramas Exhibition Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 18:58:19 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Members of this list may be interested in an exhibition that will be opening in the lobby gallery of the Department of Coins and Medals in the British Museum on 19 June. Cityscapes. Panoramic views on European coins and medals The emphasis will be on the period 1600-1800 and the medals will be accompanied by printed panoramas. As far as I know there will be no catalogue but enquiries should be addressed to the curator, Barrie Cook (Department of Coins and Medals, British Museum, Great Russell Street, London WC1B 3DG). Peter *********************************************************************** Peter Barber MA, FSA, FRHistS Head of Map Collections Map Library The British Library 96 Euston Road London NW1 2DB tel.: [44] 020 7412 7701 fax: [44] 020 7412 7780 *********************************************************************** ************************************************************************** Now exhibiting at the British Library Galleries: Painted Labyrinth : the world of the Lindisfarne Gospels Until 28 September 2003. Admission Free. ************************************************************************* The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the postmaster@bl.uk : The contents of this e-mail must not be disclosed or copied without the sender's consent. 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List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: vanderkr18@mail.vanderkrogt.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 08:56:35 +0200 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl (by way of Peter van der Krogt ) Subject: [MapHist] Re: [h-london] Flaneurs and London? X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Non-member submission from ["ahudson" ] fyi, mapfolk see below from H-London listserv. Alice C. Hudson Chief, Map Division The Humanities and Social Sciences Library The New York Public Library 5th Avenue & 42nd Street, Room 117 New York, NY 10018-2788 ahudson@nypl.org; 212-930-0589; fax 212-930-0027 http://nypl.org/research/chss/map/map.html The true meaning of life is to plant trees, under whose shade you do not expect to sit. - Nelson Henderson ----- Forwarded by ahudson/MHT/Nypl on 06/05/2003 06:05 PM ----- = =20 ens01la@gold.ac.u = =20 k To: h-london@histo= ryoflondon.net =20 cc: = =20 06/05/2003 04:45 Subject: Re: [h-london]= Flaneurs and London? =20 PM = =20 Please respond to = =20 h-london = =20 = =20 = =20 I'm not familiar with Edmund White's book, but I think the writer best embodying the literary flaneur tradition in relation to modern London i= s probably Iain Sinclair. Have a look at _Lights out for the Territory_. = Each chapter is based around a defined walk through modern London in which h= e blends social commentary, history and literary associations in a fascinating way. Not what I'd call light tourist reading though, but a very interes= ting piece of writing. There's an essay on Sinclair (and Michael Moorcock) i= n the latest edition of the Literary London Journal by Brian Baker (Chester College of HE) entitled "Maps of the London Underground: Iain Sinclair and Mich= ael Moorcock's Psychogeography of the city" which can be accessed directly = from the following web address: http://homepages.gold.ac.uk/london- journal/baker.html Best, Lawrence Dr Lawrence Phillips, Editor, The Literary London Journal, Department of English and Comparative Literature, Goldsmiths College, University of London, New Cross, London, SE14 6NW contact@literarylondon.org +44 020 7919 7430 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: h-london-unsubscribe@historyoflondon.net For additional commands, e-mail: h-london-help@historyoflondon.net = _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: karrowr@mail.newberry.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 17:08:34 -0500 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Robert Karrow Subject: [MapHist] Attention Map Curators X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new This is just to let you know that there is still room on the program for presentations, particularly on the themes highlighted below, for next Saturday's ISCEM session in Cambridge, Massachusetts. If you would like to contribute something (including brief announcements about news from your institution) please contact me off-list. "Since the Ottawa International Conference on the History of Cartography in 1985, people with a curatorial responsibility for collections of early maps have been gathering, generally on the Saturday before the formal conference, to discuss matters of mutual concern. This year, the International Society of Curators of Early Maps (ISCEM) will meet on Saturday, 14 June 2003, from 10AM to 3PM in Sanders Theater of Memorial Hall, Harvard University. Lunch will be on your own. Two broad topics have been proposed for discussion: 1. "Non-Traditional Approaches to Bibliographical Control" (i.e., databases, spreadsheets, archival inventories, EAD, etc.) and 2. "Exploiting New Technologies" (i.e., the internet, the World Wide Web, digitization, etc.) ____________________________________________ Robert W. Karrow, Jr., Curator of Special Collections and Curator of Maps, Roger & Julie Baskes Department of Special Collections, The Newberry Library, 60 W. Walton Street, Chicago, Illinois 60610-7324. Tel: 312-255-3554. FAX: 312-255-3646. E-Mail: KarrowR@newberry.org Our Web Page, including catalog of holdings cataloged since 1978: http://www.newberry.org _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: F.Herbert@RGS.org To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: RE: [MapHist] Posting (Philips' Mercantile Marine Atlas of the Wo rld) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 10:02:47 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Robert Dumaine: The only monograph devoted to the firm of George Philip [I] and his firm is:- The story of the last hundred years : a geographical record / George Philip [III]. - London : G. Philip & Son ; Liverpool : Philip, Son, & Nephew, 1934. - 108p.,[8] leaves of plates ; 23.5 cm. - Ill. include portraits of Philip family and of firm's premises A slightly revised and heavily abbreviated form of the above was published as:- History of George Philip & Son Ltd 1834-1934 / [G. Philip III, E.G. Godfrey, & H. Fullard]. - In: Philips' universal atlas : 150th anniversary edition / G. Philip Ltd. - London : Philip, 1984. - p.5-24 : ill., maps, portr. (some col.). - ISBN 0-540-05489-5 The latter version includes a 'List of the more important publications . . . 1834 to 1984' on pp.22-24; a fuller list, obviously to 1934 only, can be found in the centenary publication. Strange to tell, the 'Mercantile marine atlas' is not listed! A short obituary notice appeared in, for example, 'The Geographical Journal' (London : Royal Geographical Society), February 1938, 91(2), 199. A review of Philips' mercantile marine atlas' was published in, e.g., 'The Geographical Journal', May 1904, 23(5), 678, whose final sentence reads: "Taken as a whole, this is a most creditable production, and one that cannot fail to be of considerable service." - partly borne out by successive editions of 1915, 1923, 1927, & of 1952. Sincerely (Mr) Francis Herbert (Curator of Maps, RGS-IBG [wherein is deposited 'The Philip Archive']) f.herbert@rgs.org http://www.rgs.org [see 'Collections'/'Unlocking the Archives'] -----Original Message----- From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl [mailto:owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl] Sent: 05 June 2003 16:59 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] Posting (Philips' Mercantile Marine Atlas of the World) Non-member submission from ["Robert Dumaine" ] I have recently acquired a copy of Philips' Mercantile Marine Atlas of the= World, first edition, 1904 and would like to learn more about the cartogr= apher Philips and this book. Google searches have not been helpful, other = than to lead me to your link. Can someone refer me to an online biography = of George Philips=3F Can anyone provide me information on the significance o= f his atlas to shippers and the general public. My impression is that his = atlas was an important step in the history of nautical cartography, but I = would like to know more about what his atlas contained that others before = him did not.=20 _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: MKBabinski@aol.com Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 11:25:50 EDT Subject: [MapHist] 81 atlas lots at Christie's from Philadelphia Library To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new My map collecting brethren,

Apparently the Free Library of Philadelphia, just like the Western Case Reserve two years ago, decided to sell some duplicates. They will be auctioned off at Christie's NY on June 17. The list (lots 180-261) contains a number of good American items (Carey & Leas, Mathew Careys, etc) and Blaeu/Bellin/deLisle/Vischer/Ortelius etc atlases. The estimates - RIDICULOUS (i.e. 2 Finley General Atlases in a lot of 10 items, estimate for the lot $1-$1.5K) - probably to lure buyers in. Take a look, starting with lot 180 below:

http://www.christies.com/LotFinder/search/LOTDETAIL.ASP?sid=&intObjectID=4123710&SN=1246

Mark

 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Boardman, Richard" To: "'maphist@geog.uu.nl'" Subject: RE: [MapHist] 81 atlas lots at Christie's from Philadelphia Libra ry Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 14:35:05 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Mark is quite right, the Free Library is deaccessioning the majority of its collection of antique atlases, geographies, etc. These are not a collection priority and were very rarely (in the great majority never) used. Proceeds from the auction will benefit the special collections at the Free Library (The Map Collection, in particular, with greatly expanded access and preservation of primary philadelphia materials). The estimates, though, were not our decision but rather that of Christie's. The date was also that for their fine printed books and manuscripts, an unfortunate timing what with the History of Cartography Conference. Rich Boardman Map Collection > -----Original Message----- > From: MKBabinski@aol.com [SMTP:MKBabinski@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 11:26 AM > To: maphist@geog.uu.nl > Subject: [MapHist] 81 atlas lots at Christie's from Philadelphia > Library > > My map collecting brethren, > > Apparently the Free Library of Philadelphia, just like the Western Case > Reserve two years ago, decided to sell some duplicates. They will be > auctioned off at Christie's NY on June 17. The list (lots 180-261) > contains a number of good American items (Carey & Leas, Mathew Careys, > etc) and Blaeu/Bellin/deLisle/Vischer/Ortelius etc atlases. The estimates > - RIDICULOUS (i.e. 2 Finley General Atlases in a lot of 10 items, estimate > for the lot $1-$1.5K) - probably to lure buyers in. Take a look, starting > with lot 180 below: > > 4123710&SN=1246> > > Mark > > _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: MKBabinski@aol.com Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 14:58:28 EDT Subject: Re: [MapHist] 81 atlas lots at Christie's from Philadelphia Libra ry To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new In a message dated 6/9/2003 2:37:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, BoardmanR@excen.library.phila.gov writes:

The estimates, though, were
not our decision but rather that of Christie's.

Smart move on part of Christie's - may turn out like the 1991 Walsh sale at Sotheby's NY where similar strategic/tactical estimate schemes were used - stuff sold for 5-10 tiimes the estimates then.

Mark X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 13:46:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Jay Lester Subject: Re: [MapHist] 81 atlas lots at Christie's from Philadelphia Libra ry To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Perhaps Mark is correct on Christie's strategy; or perhaps the atlases are in bad condition; the catalog has very few illustrations of a few of the atlases and doesn't have any illustrations of some of them. Sure wish I could get to NYC to take a look :-( Any body going during the preview feel free to offer their opinion. BTW, does this belong on MapTrade rather than MapHist? Jay L. --- MKBabinski@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/9/2003 2:37:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > BoardmanR@excen.library.phila.gov writes: > > > The estimates, though, were > > not our decision but rather that of Christie's. > Smart move on part of Christie's - may turn out like the 1991 Walsh > sale at > Sotheby's NY where similar strategic/tactical estimate schemes were > used - > stuff sold for 5-10 tiimes the estimates then. > > Mark > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Matthew Champion" To: Subject: RE: [MapHist] 81 atlas lots at Christie's from Philadelphia Libra ry Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 23:11:48 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new

Mark wrote -

>Smart move on part of Christie's - may turn out like the 1991 Walsh sale at Sotheby's NY where similar strategic/tactical estimate schemes were used - stuff >sold for 5-10 times the estimates then.

As a slightly off topic aside – I have recently been dealing with a number of auction houses in the UK. In the case of specialist sales I have felt compelled to question the low (or very, very low) estimates place upon certain lots by the auctioneers. I was assured that the low estimates were merely a marketing technique designed to draw in the interested parties – or, as it was phrased at the time, –“it will get the buggers through the doors”. As you will undoubtedly realise from the terminology that particular sale had nothing to do with maps. Map historians hardly ever swear… honest.

 

Regards

Matthew J. Champion

 

 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: MKBabinski@aol.com Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 18:42:59 EDT Subject: Re: [MapHist] 81 atlas lots at Christie's from Philadelphia Library To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new In a message dated 6/9/2003 4:47:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mapsguy@yahoo.com writes:

BTW, does this belong on MapTrade rather than MapHist?

Jay L
.
The sale is to support a non-profit cultural institution, hence the emphasis of announcements should be on promulgating this sale as an event supporting Public Policy - strengthening the finances of a public-access map collection. Quite appropriate for MapHist. If, on the other hand, the emphasis was on the other side of the deal - the interests of private 'buy-em-and-hide-em' map collectors or 'buy-em-and-resell-em-at-a-resonable-markup' dealers - then of course it would be more suitable for MapTrade.

Personally, I am convinced that the Buyers in this sale will have the former rather than the latter on their minds when bidding. Isn't ours - mapcollectors' and mapdealers' - an altruistic lot, with only the interests of Civilization on its mind when bidding on those priceless objects? I have no doubt about it, otherwise one would have to cry out in disbelief - ooohhh Humanity, ooohhh Mankind, how low can Man stoop in pursuit of a buck?

Nay, nay my friends, this auction may be held in the New World with a new partitioning Code of Conduct hoisted on us by the Perles, Wolfowitz' and Bushes - those "you-are-with-us-or-against-us" knights of the modern oil-and-land Crusades - yet we as map afficionados are firmly rooted in the customs and sensitivities of Old Europe, practicing the Art of map collecting for the benefit of All - not just the monied. And so will go the bidding, I am sure - for the benefit of the Free Library of Piladelphia, not the map collectors or dealers.

Mark




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 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Joost Depuydt" To: Subject: [MapHist] Macau: A Selection of Cartographic Images on American Memory website Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:48:02 +0200 Organization: K.U.Leuven X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by KULeuven Antivirus Cluster X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Received from DIG_REF: Macau: A Selection of Cartographic Images Macau, the oldest permanent European settlement in Asia, was returned to China on December 20, 1999. The Geography And Map Division of the Library of Congress has mounted a special presentation in the Map Collections, 1500-2003 of the American Memory site on the Library of Congress' webpage. Now known as the Macau Special Administrative Region of the People's Republic of China, Macau consists of the city of Macau on a small peninsula of the Chinese mainland and the two small islands of Taipa and Colôane, which are connected by a causeway. The entire area of this administrative region is twenty-one square kilometers, which is about 0.1 the size of Washington, D.C. As of July 2001, Macau had an estimated population of about 454,000. In recognition of the transfer of Macau from Portugal to China, the Library of Congress and the Instituto Cultural de Macau cosponsored a symposium, "Macau: A Cultural Dialogue toward a New Millennium," on September 21, 1999. The one-day symposium included a number of papers focusing on the cultural diversity and historical heritage of Macau itself, as well as presentations describing the resources in the Library of Congress pertaining to Macau. One of these presentations was a display of maps and atlases from the collections of the Geography and Map Division. The maps in this special presentation were selected from that display. By viewing this small selection of sixteen maps, it should be evident that the European influence was particularly strong in the mapping of Macau, reflecting a strong economic interest in the port city for more than four hundred years. You can view these at Please direct any questions to _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "van der heijden" To: Subject: [MapHist] Re: kaart Antwerpen Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:14:57 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new ter attentie van Joost Depuydt bij een vriend trof ik een grote kaart aan h.138 x br 100 cm 'Caerte Figurative \ vande Situatie der Stadt | Antwerpen. Met de Forten, Polders,| Bedijkte Landen, Schorren ende Slycken daer annex [... ] ' onderschreven Gesworen Landtmeter | Actum Antwerpiae 23 augustij 1748 | P. Stijnen | geometra. Is er iemand die de betekenis van die kaart kan beoordelen. ? Ik ben het e-mail-adres van het stadsarchief Antwerpen kwijt-. Henk van der Heijden ---- Original Message ----- From: Joost Depuydt To: Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 9:48 AM Subject: [MapHist] Macau: A Selection of Cartographic Images on American Memory website Received from DIG_REF: Macau: A Selection of Cartographic Images Macau, the oldest permanent European settlement in Asia, was returned to China on December 20, 1999. The Geography And Map Division of the Library of Congress has mounted a special presentation in the Map Collections, 1500-2003 of the American Memory site on the Library of Congress' webpage. Now known as the Macau Special Administrative Region of the People's Republic of China, Macau consists of the city of Macau on a small peninsula of the Chinese mainland and the two small islands of Taipa and Colôane, which are connected by a causeway. The entire area of this administrative region is twenty-one square kilometers, which is about 0.1 the size of Washington, D.C. As of July 2001, Macau had an estimated population of about 454,000. In recognition of the transfer of Macau from Portugal to China, the Library of Congress and the Instituto Cultural de Macau cosponsored a symposium, "Macau: A Cultural Dialogue toward a New Millennium," on September 21, 1999. The one-day symposium included a number of papers focusing on the cultural diversity and historical heritage of Macau itself, as well as presentations describing the resources in the Library of Congress pertaining to Macau. One of these presentations was a display of maps and atlases from the collections of the Geography and Map Division. The maps in this special presentation were selected from that display. By viewing this small selection of sixteen maps, it should be evident that the European influence was particularly strong in the mapping of Macau, reflecting a strong economic interest in the port city for more than four hundred years. You can view these at Please direct any questions to _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: DSloanRareBooks@aol.com Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:49:24 EDT Subject: [MapHist] Uhde To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10641 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new I am having difficulty finding biographical information on the author of the following book and hope that someone can point me in a direction to obtain more information.  Thank you,

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UHDE, Adolph.  Die Länder am untern Rio bravo del Norte. Geschichtliches und Erlebtes.... Mit einer Uebersichtskarte. Das Recht der Uebersetzung behält sich der Verfasser vor.  Heidelberg:  [Printed by Giesecke & Devrient, Leipzig for] In Commission bei T. C. B. Mohr, 1861.  [i-iii] iv-viii, [1] 2-431 [1] pp., folding lithograph map. 8vo, contemporary hard-grain burgundy morocco over mottled boards, gilt-lettered spine with raised bands, marbled endpapers.  Front pastedown with engraved armorial bookplate of Joseph Florimond, duc de Loubat, wealthy American bibliophile and philanthropist who underwrote the important work of Mesoamericanist Edward Seler.  Preserved in burgundy linen slipcase.

Map:

Karte von Texas, Tamaulipas, Nuevo Leon & Cohahuila im Jahre 1861 von A. Uhde. [Below neat line] Steindr. v G. Bordollo in Heidelberg.  48.7 x 40.5 cm.

First edition, second issue (with p. 45 numbered).  Uhde, about whom little seems to be known, travelled through Texas and northern Mexico from 1849-1855.  Among places he visited and upon which he comments are El Paso, Matamoras, Saltillo, Nuevo Leon, and Tamaulipas.  In addition to remarks about the citizenry, he also includes observations about natural features such as rivers and industries, especially mining.  A large portion of the book is devoted to the history of Europeans in Mexico and Texas, the latter beginning with La Salle, about whose colony he seems quite well informed.  He also writes at length about Mexican political affairs, including lengthy passages on Santa-Anna.  Uhde includes a rare Carrizo vocabulary (pp. 185-186), a list of unusual words with their explanations in or translations into German (pp. 426-431), and commentary on routes to the California gold diggings. The work was one of the sources for the esteemed Bureau of American Ethnology,  Handbook of American Indians North of Mexico (2 vols., Washington:  Government Printing Office, 1912).

The superb borderlands map, which shows Northern Mexico, Texas (sans Panhandle), and eastern New Mexico, is quite detailed and on a somewhat large scale.  Symbols keyed to a legend at lower right are designated for towns, capital cities, missions, Texas forts, ranches, and Spanish presidios, including dates of establishment. Pick axes indicate mines.  Crossed swords have been placed at battle sites, including Mexican-American War battles fought on Texas soil (Palo Alto and Resaca de Palma), the Alamo, and San Saba Massacre (1716). Native tribes and geographical features are indicated.  Place names are mostly in English and Spanish rather than German. Uhde's diligence to accuracy and up-to-date information is evidenced by his inclusion of recently established forts in Texas, such as Fort Cooper, which he dates 1860.

Eberstadt, Texas 162:864.  Howes U6.  Palau 343166.  Pilling 3948. Raines, p. 208. Tate, The Indians of Texas: An Annotated Research Bibliography 517.
 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Originating-IP: [204.213.37.215] X-Original-From: philhoehn@juno.com Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 00:20:48 GMT To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] Additions to Rumsey online collection X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 From: philhoehn@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new The following are highlights from 811 New Maps added to the David Rumsey Collection, www.davidrumsey.com/recentadditions.html The online collection now numbers over 8,800 maps. (Plan of the City of Saint Petersburg), 1753 Akademiia nauk SSSR. 36 Maps and views. This atlas includes a detailed 9 sheet map of Saint Petersburg, shown as 9 separate images plus a composite image of all 9 sheets joined together. It also has numerous views of the city. This copy belongs to the Map Library at the University of Michigan. Pictorial St. Louis, 1876 Compton, Richard J.; Dry, Camille N. 110 views. An atlas containing the largest bird's eye view of an American city. The 110 sheets of the view appear separately and joined as a composite that is approximately 8 feet high and 25 feet wide. (Voyages in the Pacific Ocean), 1773, 1777, and 1785. Cook, James. 205 Maps and views. Includes all the maps, charts, views, portraits and other images that appear in the nine volume set of Cook's three voyages published between 1773 and 1785. Atlas of the State of South Carolina, 1825. Mills, Robert. 30 Maps. The first atlas of a state published in the U.S. Detailed maps of all 28 Districts (counties) by Henry Tanner. (Maps of California and the U.S. West), 1846 - 1859. Mitchell, S. Augustus. 20 Maps. A sequence of maps showing the transformation of the U.S. West from 1846 to 1859. All the maps appeared in various editions of Mitchell's New Universal Atlas. A Series of Charts (of) The Bay of San Francisco, 1852. Ringgold, Cadwalader. 16 Maps and views. Some of the earliest and most accurate charts and profile views of San Francisco Bay. (Railroad Time Table Maps, Automobile Maps, Airline Maps), various dates. Various Publishers. 284 images. A group of 19th century railroad timetable maps from all parts of North America, plus early automobile and airline maps. Phil Hoehn, Map Librarian San Francisco -- philhoehn@juno.com ----------------------------------- Contractor for David Rumsey Collection: http://www.davidrumsey.com _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Pierre Joppen" To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 09:57:23 +0200 Subject: [MapHist] monumenta cartographia volume 7 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Just published Volume 7 Prof.Dr. Günter Schilder - Monumenta Cartographica This volume 7 is devoted entirely to the work of Cornelis Claesz (c. 1551-1609), who at the end of the 16th and beginning of the 17th century was the greatest Amsterdam publisher. Text volume: Blue cloth, bound with gold imprint. Format 400x285mm/ 15,5x11,5inch. Text in Dutch and English; Map volume: Blue cloth portfolio, bound with gold imprint. Format 410x580mm/ 16x23inch. 120 grams paper [cream coloured] 63 full size facsimiles Price EURO 225 Order form and more info at: http://www.maphist.com/artman/publish/article_234.shtml Nearly all the maps and charts mentioned in Claesz's Const ende Caert-Register (Art and Map- inventory list) of 1609 have been located by the author. The emphasis of this volume relates to the central role of Cornelis Claesz in the supply of maritime and geographical know-how and its dissemination through his multi-faceted publications in the period of 1580 till 1610. In accordance with the aims of the research project as a whole, special attention is paid to the loose-leaf maps marketed by Cornelis Claesz, their analysis and description. They have been arranged by subject; their context is historically justified, their sequence allows to trace their development. These loose maps were particularly vulnerable and on occasion only a few have survived. The core of this volume offers detailed descriptions and full-sized facsimiles of the 8-sheet wall maps of the four continents along with the earliest sea charts which provide a virtually complete summary of the cartography of the whole world and form the oldest series of printed Dutch charts showing seas and coastlines outside Europe, and of a set of very scarce maps of different European countries. Contents of Volume VII I. The Publisher Cornelis Claesz (c. 1551-1609) 1.1 Some biographical notes 1.2 Cornelis Claesz's cartographical publications II Printed Rutters Published by Cornelis Claesz 2.1 The earliest Dutch printed rutters 2.2 The work of Cornelis Anthoniszoon 2.3 The 'leeskaartboek van Wisbuy' 2.4 The editions by Cornelis Claesz 2.5 The rutters of Govert Willemsz van Hollesloot 2.6 The rutter of Adriaen Gerritsz, 1588 2.7 The declination tables III The Pilot Guides of Waghenaer and Haeyen 3.1 Lucas Jansz Waghenaer's Spieghel der Zeevaerdt (1584/85) 3.2 Cornelis Claesz and the Spieghel der Zeevaerdt 3.3 Aelbert Haeyen's Amstelredamsche Zee-Caerten 3.4 Cornelis Claesz and the Amstelredamsche Zee-Caerten 3.5 Lucas Jansz Waghenaer's Thresoor der Zeevaert (1592) 3.6 Cornelis Claesz and the Thresoor der Zeevaert 3.7 Cornelis Claesz and Waghenaer's Enchuyser Zee-caert-boeck (1598) IV Charts of Europe 4.1 Adriaen Gerritsz's charts of Europe 4.2 Lucas Jansz Waghenaer's charts of Europe 4.2.1 Waghenaer's 1583 chart 4.2.2 Unknown charts of Lucas Jansz Waghenaer 4.2.3 Waghenaer's 1589 chart in four sheets 4.2.4 Waghenaer's 1592 chart 4.3 Plancius's 1594 chart of Europe 4.4 Willem Barentsz's chart of Europe, [1593-96] 4.5 The charts of Cornelis Doedsz 4.5.1 Cornelis Doedsz's 1589 chart of Northern Europe 4.5.2 Cornelis Doedsz's 1602 chart of Europe V Petrus Plancius's Wall Map of the World (1592) and a Set of Printed Charts Showing Coastlines Beyond Europe (1592-94) 5.1 Wall map of the world by Petrus Plancius, 1592 5.2 A set of printed charts with coastlines beyond Europe (1592-94) 5.2.1 Map of the Azores, Canary Islands and parts of the Iberian Peninsula and northwestern Africa 5.2.2 Map of the Atlantic Ocean with the northwestern coasts of Africa and a part of Brazil between 31ºN and 15ºS 5.2.3 Map of Southern Africa between 2ºN and 44ºS 5.2.4 Map of the Indonesian Archipelago and the Philippines with surrounding regions 5.2.5 Map of the northern Atlantic Ocean 5.2.6 Map of the northern part of South America up to 35ºS 5.2.7 Map of the southern part of South America and Magellanica VI Sixteenth-century Dutch Cartography of the Mediterranean 6.1 The Ascendance of the Shipping through the Strait of Gibraltar ['Straatvaart'] 6.2 Willem Barentsz and his Nieuwe beschryvinghe ende Caertboeck vande Midlandtsche Zee (1595) 6.3 The overview map of the Mediterranean Sea VII Books on the Art of Navigation and Cosmography, published by Cornelis Claesz 7.1 Pedro de Medina and his Arte de navegar 7.2 William Bourne and his A Regiment for the Sea 7.3 Rodrigo Zamorano and his Compendio de la arte de navegar 7.4 Thomas Hood and his The Mariners' Guide 7.5 Peter Apian and his Cosmographie 7.6 Robert Hues and his Tractatus de globis VIII The Dutch Polar Voyages 8.1 The cartography of the north 8.2 The English sail to the north-east (1553-80) 8.3 Dutch polar voyages in 1594 and 1595 8.4 The polar voyage of 1596/97 8.5 The 1598 polar map of Willem Barentsz 8.6 Map of the route to Archangel and the coasts as far as Vaigach by Mouris Willemsz, [before 1609] IX Dutch Translations of the Literature of Travels and Discovery 9.1 Juan González de Mendoza 9.2 Hans Staden 9.3 Duarte Lopez and Filippo Pigafetta 9.4 Agustín de Zárate 9.5 Bartolomé de las Casas 9.6 Olaus Magnus 9.7 Jean de Léry 9.8 Francis Pretty 9.9 Walter Raleigh and Lawrence Keymis X Jan Huygen van Linschoten and his Itinerario 10.1 Jan Huygen van Linschoten 10.2 Cornelis Claesz and the publication of Van Linschoten's Itinerario (1595-96) 10.3 The maps in Van Linschoten's Itinerario 10.3.1 Map of the world in two hemispheres by Petrus Plancius, 1594 10.3.2 Map of the world in two hemispheres, engraved by Arnold Floris and Hendrik Floris van Langren, [1596] 10.3.3 Map of the Atlantic Ocean between 8ºN and 35ºS 10.3.4 Map of the western Indian Ocean between 8ºN and 35ºS 10.3.5 Map of the northern Indian Ocean between Oº and 43ºN 10.3.6 Map of the Indonesian Archipelago and Far East between 20ºS and 40ºN 10.3.7 Map of South-America and a part of Central-America with surrounding islands between 33ºN and 61ºS XI New Horizons: The First Dutch Voyages to the East Indies 11.1 The nautical equipment of the first fleets 11.2 The first Dutch fleet to the East Indies, 1595-97 11.2.1 Overview map with the route taken by the first Dutch fleet (1595-97) to the East Indies, [1598] 11.2.2 Chart of the Java Sea and surrounding coasts by Willem Lodewijcksz, [1598] 11.2.3 Map of Asia, engraved by Hendik Floris van Langren, [1598]) 11.3 The Second Voyage (1598-1600) by the Dutch to the East Indies 11.3.1 Overview map with the route taken by the Second Voyage of the Dutch (1598-1600) to the East Indies, 1600 XII Early Dutch Enterprises to the West 12.1 The Atlantic Scene 12.2 Chart of the Pacific Ocean by Gabriel Tatton, 1600 12.3 Gabriel Tatton, Chart of Central America and the southern part of North America, 1616 (1600) 12.4 Luis Teixeira, Map of Africa, engraved by Joannes van Doetecum Jr. 12.5 Luis Teixeira, Map of West Africa and Guinea, engraved by Baptista van Doetecum 12.6 Map of America and the west coast of Africa in four sheets by Clement de Jonghe XIII The World Encompassed. The First Dutch Circumnavigation of the Globe 13.1 English predecessors 13.2 The voyage of Olivier van Noort (1598-1601) 13.3 The wall map of the world commemorating Olivier van Noort's voyage around the world XIV Wall Maps 14.1 The wall map of the world in Mercator's projection in nine sheets by Luis Teixeira, 1604 14.2 The wall map of Europe, 1604 [1617] 14.3 The wall map of Asia, [1602] 14.4 The wall map of Africa, [1617] 14.5 The wall map of America, [1602] XV Single-sheet Maps, Published by Cornelis Claesz 15.1 Map of the world, engraved by Arnold Floris van Langren, [1594] 15.2 Map of France by Petrus Plancius, 1592 15.3 Map of England, Wales and Ireland by Petrus Plancius, [1592] 15.4 Map of Italy and surroundings by Petrus Plancius, [1592] 15.5 Map of Italy and surroundings, engraved by Joannes van Doetecum Jr., [c. 1595] 15.6 Map of Holland, engraved by Hendrik Floris van Langren, 1594 15.7 Map of Hungary, engraved by Joannes van Doetecum Jr., 1596 15.8 Map of the Leo Belgicus, engraved by Hendrik Floris van Langren, [before 1609] 15.9 Map of Eastern Friesland by Ubbo Emmius, [1599] j 15.10 Map of Westphalia and adjacent regions, by Gerard II Mercator, [1599] 15.11 Map of Eastern and Western Friesland by David Fabricius, engraved by Joannes van Doetecum Jr., [1600] 15.12 Map of Spain, engraved by Benjamin Wright, [1600] 15.13 Map of the Rhine River, engraved by Benjamin Wright, [1600] 15.14 Two maps of the Zijpe, engraved by Baptista van Doetecum 15.15 Map of the Leo Belgicus, engraved by Hessel Gerritsz, [before 1609] XVI Cornelis Claesz's Role as Publisher of Atlas Editions 16.1 The Caert-Thresoor 16.2 Paullus Merula's Cosmographia of 1605 16.3 Cornelis Claesz and the Theatrum Orbis Terrarum 16.4 Cornelis Claesz and Mercator's atlases 16.5 The Atlas Minor of 1607 16.6 John Speed's Theatre of the Empire of Great Britaine 16.7 A miniature atlas of the British Isles 16.8 An unknown atlas project, engraved by Benjamin Wright (?) XVII The Maps for Cornelis Claesz's Guicciardini Edition (1609) 17.1 The publishers of Guicciardini's work in Antwerp (1567-88) 17.2 Cornelis Claesz: Publisher of Guicciardini's work in Amsterdam (1609) 17.3 The series of separate maps with text 17.3.1 Map of Brabant 17.3.2 Map of Flanders 17.3.3 Map of Friesland 17.3.4 Map of Gelderland 17.3.5 Map of Hainaut 17.3.6 Map of Holland 17.3.7 Map of Liège 17.3.8 Map of Luxembourg 17.3.9 Map of Namur 17.3.10 Map of Zeeland LIST OF FULL-SIZED FACSIMILES 1 Adriaen Gerritsz, Chart of Europe, 1591 21-4 Lucas Jansz Waghenaer, Chart of Europe in four sheets, 1589 3 Lucas Jansz Waghenaer, Chart of Europe, 1592 4 Petrus Plancius, Map of Europe, 1594 51-2 Joannes Janssonius, Chart of Europe, 1631, a reissue of the lost original chart by Willem Barentsz, [1593-96] 6 Cornelis Doedsz, Chart of Northern Europe, 1589 7 Cornelis Doedsz, Chart of Europe, 1602 8 Petrus Plancius, Map of the Azores, Canary Islands and parts of the Iberian Peninsula and northwestern Africa, [1592-94] 9 Petrus Plancius, Map of the Atlantic Ocean with the northwestern coasts of Africa and a part of Brazil between 31ºN and 15ºS, [1592-94] 10 Petrus Plancius, Map of Southern Africa between 2ºN and 44ºS, [1592-94] 11 Petrus Plancius, Map of the Indonesian Archipelago and the Philippines with surrounding regions, [1592-94] 11a Claes Jansz Visscher, Map of the Indonesian Archipelago and the Philippines with surrounding regions, 1617 12 Petrus Plancius, Map of the northern Atlantic Ocean, [1594] 13 Petrus Plancius, Map of the northern part of South America up to 35ºS, [1592-94] 14 Petrus Plancius, Map of the southern part of South America and Magellanica, [1592-94] 151-2 Willem Barentsz and Petrus Plancius, Chart of the Mediterranean Sea in two sheets, 1595 16 Willem Barentsz, Polar map with route taken by him on his third voyage (1596-97), 1598 17 Mouris Willemsz, Map of the route to Archangel and the coasts as far as Vaygach, [before 1609] 18 Petrus Plancius, Map of the world in two hemispheres, 1594 19 Map of the world in two hemispheres, engraved by Arnold Floris and Hendrik Floris van Langren, [1596] 20 Map of the Atlantic Ocean between 8ºN and 35ºS, engraved by Arnold Floris van Langren,[1596] 21 Map of the western Indian Ocean between 8ºN and 35ºS, engraved by Arnold Floris van Langren, [1596] 22 Map of the northern Indian Ocean between Oº and 43ºN, engraved by Hendrik Floris van Langren, [1596] 23 Map of the Indonesian Archipelago and Far East between 20ºS and 40ºN, engraved by Hendrik Floris van Langren, 1595 24 Map of South-America and a part of Central-America with surrounding islands between 33ºN and 61ºS, engraved by Arnold Floris van Langren, [1595-96] 25 Overview map with the route taken by the first Dutch fleet (1595-97) to the East Indies, published by Cornelis Claesz in 1598. 26 Willem Lodewijcksz, Chart of the Java Sea and surrounding coasts, published by Cornelis Claesz in 1598. 27 Map of Asia, engraved by Hendrik Floris van Langren, [1598] 28 Overview map with the route taken by the Second Voyage of the Dutch (1598-1600) to the East Indies, published by Cornelis Claesz in 1600 29 Gabriel Tatton, Chart of the Pacific Ocean, 1600 30 Gabriel Tatton, Chart of Central America and the southern part of North America, 1616 (1600) 31 Luis Teixeira, Map of Africa, engraved by Joannes van Doetecum Jr., [1600] 32 Hugo Allard, Map of West Africa and Guinea, [c. 1650]. This is reissue of the lost map by Luis Teixeira, engraved by Baptista van Doetecum, [1602]. 331-4 Clement de Jonghe, Map of America and the west coast of Africa in four sheets, [1665]. This is a reissue of the lost original map published by Cornelis Claesz before 1609. 341-8 Claes Jansz Visscher, Map of the world in four sheets (1650), a modified reissue of the original map published by Cornelis Claesz in 1602. 351-4 Salomon Savery, Map of the world in four sheets, a modified reissue of the original map published by Cornelis Claesz (1598 or 1604). 361-8 Joannes Janssonius's revised 1617 state of the wall map of Europe in eight sheets, published by Cornelis Claesz in 1604. 371-8 Cornelis Claesz, Wall map of Asia in eight sheets, [1602] 381-6 Joannes Janssonius, Incomplete copy of a reissue of the lost original wall map of Africa in eight sheets, published by Cornelis Claesz. 391-8 Cornelis Claesz, Wall map of America in eight sheets, [1602] 40 Map of the world, engraved by Arnold Floris van Langren, [1594] 41 Petrus Plancius, Map of France, 1592 42 Petrus Plancius, Map of England, Wales and Ireland, [1592] 43 Petrus Plancius, Map of Italy and surroundings, [1592] 44 Map of Italy and surroundings, engraved by Joannes van Doetecum Jr., [1595] 45 Map of Holland, engraved by Hendrik Floris van Langren, 1594 46 David de Meijne, Map of Hungary, [1619], a reissue of the original map published by Cornelis Claesz in 1596. 47 Map of the Leo Belgicus, engraved by Hendrik Floris van Langren, [1598] 48 Ubbo Emmius, Map of Eastern Friesland, [1599] 49 David Fabricius, Map of Eastern and Western Friesland, engraved by Joannes van Doetecum Jr., [1600] 50 Map of Spain, engraved by Benjamin Wright, [1600] 51 Map of the Rhine, engraved by Benjamin Wright, [1600] 52 Claes Jansz Visscher, Map of the Leo Belgicus, 1630, a reissue of the original map engraved by Hessel Gerritsz, [before 1609] 53 Cornelis Claesz, Map of Brabant, [1609 or earlier] 54 Cornelis Claesz, Map of Flanders, [1609 or earlier] 55 Cornelis Claesz, Map of Friesland, [1609 or earlier] 56 Cornelis Claesz, Map of Gelderland, [1609 or earlier] 57 Cornelis Claesz, Map of Hainaut, [1609 or earlier] 58 Cornelis Claesz, Map of Holland with Dutch text, [1609 or earlier] 59 Cornelis Claesz, Map of Holland with Latin text, [1609 or earlier] 60 Cornelis Claesz, Map of Liège, [1609 or earlier] 61 Cornelis Claesz, Map of Luxembourg, [1609 or earlier] 62 Cornelis Claesz, Map of Namur, [1609 or earlier] 63 Cornelis Claesz, Map of Zeeland, [1609 or earlier] Order form and more info at: http://www.maphist.com/artman/publish/article_234.shtml Pierre Joppen Paulus Swaen Old Maps Tel. Paris ++33 6 1474 1165 Fax Paris ++33 1 3478 2159 1000 items for immediate sale http://www.swaen.com/osfixsale.html _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: jsk@pop.gamewood.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 22:10:25 -0400 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Joel Kovarsky Subject: [MapHist] 2003 Summer List - Atlases, Books with Maps, Miscellaneous Maps Cc: maptrade@raremaps.com, mapcollector@antiquemapdealers.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Please take a look at out latest list:

Atlases, Books with Maps, Miscellaneous Maps (Summer 2003)

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Joel Kovarsky for THE PRIME MERIDIAN
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Member, International Antiquarian Mapsellers Association X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: jsk@pop.gamewood.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 22:25:19 -0400 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Joel Kovarsky Subject: [MapHist] "The Boundless Deep..."-- Newport Art Museum through July 27, 2003 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new We have just returned from a visit to Newport, Rhode Island. Of the more memorable events was the privilege of seeing the current exhibit, "The Boundless Deep...": The European Conquest of the Oceans 1450-1840, currently on display at the Cushing Gallery of the Newport Art Museum. This impressive and carefully crafted exhibit showcases a significant number of holdings from The John Carter Brown Library, pertaining to the stated subject. There are maps, charts, engravings, books and atlases from such notables as Allard, Blaeu, de Bry, Dampier, Seller, Ortelius, Braun (& Hogenberg), Purchas, Schedel, Ringold, Boazio, Buache, Burchett, Goos, Apian, Doncker, Moll, Bellin, de Barres, La Perouse, Bougainville, Waghenaer and more.

The well-illustrated 204 page catalogue is carefully referenced, with chronological, author/title, and general indices. A list of secondary sources is also provided. The catalogue organization closely reflects that of the exhibit, and is divided into seven chapters: Discovering the Globe and Sky, Discovering the Nature of the Sea (Winds, Tides, Currents), Preparing to Sail, Life at Sea, Paths Across the Sea, Activities (Commerce, Harvesting, Violence, Regulation), The Literature of the Sea.

If you have a chance, get to the exhibit. If not, try to get a copy of the catalogue. The scope and scholarship of the exhibit is quite impressive. (There is also an associated lecture series staggered over the course of the exhibit.)

                 Joel Kovarsky X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 17:13:27 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [MapHist] Lake Victoria in old maps From: "Peter van der Krogt" To: maphist@geog.uu.nl User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.0 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Non-member submission from [Jouni Filip Maho ] Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 22:39:53 +0200 Subject: Lake Victoria in old maps Dear all I'm looking for a downloadable image of the oldest European map depicting Lake Victoria (in East Africa). I have found some images of an old Chinese map (dating 1389, I think), in which Africa is depicted with a big lake in the middle of it. I assume that it is (or might be) Lake Victoria. I've also seen images of old Eurpean maps from the 16th century -- by =46rancanzano (1510) as well as by M=FCnster (various dates) -- in which Africa is given with a few lakes in it. I'm having a hard time figuring out if any of those depict Lake Victoria. From what I can gather, they could well be Lake Turkana and Lake Chad. Anyway, the oldest European map I've seen with something I think must be Lake Victoria is a map titled "Africae Tabula Nova" by Ortelius (1570-ish). Does anyone here know of any earlier reference? (Or point me to some convenient library reference or on-line web-source where I might find that kind of info.) I should add that what seems to be Lake Victoria in Ortelius's 1570-ish map (as well as on later maps by eg. Dapper), disappears (mysteriously?) from later English maps, such as Reynolds 1771, Finley 1824, Sherman/Smith 1843, only to re-appear again in a map by Mitchell 1872. I should add that I'm not a cartographer, so there might be some obvious way of going about this that simply escapes me. Any help would be much appreciated. Best regards, Jouni Maho Department of Oriental and African Languages Goteborg University _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. 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List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: RHALL825@aol.com Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 14:24:06 EDT Subject: [MapHist] Bermuda Mystery Revisited (Cabot 1544) To: maphist@geog.uu.nl, kaforbes@ibl.bm, buisseret@uta.edu, haga@uta.edu, kathleen@hillsboro.net, ebarnett@bercol.bm X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 911 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new To All Concerned:

As some of you may remember, while I was researching the early mapping of Bermuda last semester, I stumbled upon the following mystery: Why do many historians of Bermuda make the erroneous claim that the islands are labeled "ya de demonios" on Sebastian Cabot's 1544 Mappa Mundi? They are in fact clearly labeled "la bermuda" on this map, as they are on every other sixteenth century map I have seen that includes Bermuda.

I have traced this historiographic error back to John Henry Lefroy, a governor of Bermuda in the nineteenth century. His multi-volume work of 1877, _Memorials of the Discovery and Early Settlement of the Bermudas or Somers Islands_, makes the false claim (p. 6) and refers in a footnote to Henry Stevens' _Historical and geographical notes on the earliest discoveries in America_, first published in 1869. The facsimile detail from Cabot reproduced in Stevens' book shows part of North America and the North Atlantic, but does not include the portion of Cabot's map showing "la bermuda". It does, however, show an island off the coast of Newfoundland labeled "ya de demonios" or "ya de demottios". Lefroy may have conflated this island with Bermuda, which the Spanish referred to as the "Isle of Devils" in the sixteenth century.

Lefroy was lionized by Bermudians, and it is understandable that twentieth century historians like Terry Tucker and Hudson Strode repeated his error without checking Cabot's map, especially since high quality reproductions of old maps were much less common in their day than they are now. My goal now is to convince the government of Bermuda to correct this error on their official website, http://www.gov.bm/ .

Thanks to David Buisseret, Don McGuirk, Rodney Shirley, Görab Bäärnhielm, the Special Collections staff at UT Arlington, and especially Guenter Schilder for helping me look into this. 

Best regards,
Ronnie Hall X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: Re: [MapHist] "The Boundless Deep..."-- Newport Art Museum through July 27, 2003 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 20:40:55 +0100 x-sender: x0244689@pop.clix.pt x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Francisco Domingues To: "MAP HIST" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new >If you have a chance, get to the exhibit. If not, try to get a copy of the >catalogue. The scope and scholarship of the exhibit is quite impressive. >(There is also an associated lecture series staggered over the course of >the exhibit.) Could you please give us more details about the catalog: title, editor, publisher,...? Francisco Contente Domingues _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: Re: [MapHist] Lake Victoria in old maps From: engelsAG@t-online.de (Andre Engels) To: X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 4.111 Date: 15 Jun 2003 19:43 GMT X-Seen: false X-ID: Gn5KwvZareCfEDiqs3uae2+KIwGfCKNz8jEEeKK4EQrOcsuQoXCnr0@t-dialin.net X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new It seems to me that the most likely source of such early depictions of lakes in central Africa is Ptolemeus's claim that the Nile originates in a pair of lakes. Andre Engels "Peter van der Krogt" schrieb: (...) > Dear all > > I'm looking for a downloadable image of the oldest European map > depicting Lake Victoria (in East Africa). (...) _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: jsk@pop.gamewood.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 16:11:01 -0400 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Joel Kovarsky Subject: Re: [MapHist] "The Boundless Deep..."-- Newport Art Museum through July 27, 2003 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new At 08:40 PM 6/15/2003 +0100, you wrote:
Could you please give us more details about the catalog: title, editor,
publisher,...?

Francisco Contente Domingues

The catalogue title is the same as the exhibit. John B. Hattendorf is the catalogue author. The publisher is The John Carter Brown Library.

ISBN (paper) 0-916617-63-7
ISBN (cloth) 0-916617-62-9

Library website: <http://www.brown.edu/Facilities/John_Carter_Brown_Library/>.


                 Joel Kovarsky X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] Henrik Dupont/kob/Kglbib is out of the office. From: hd@kb.dk To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 01:03:31 +0200 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Notes00/Kglbib(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 16-06-2003 01:03:34, Itemize by SMTP Server on Notes02/Kglbib(Release 5.0.6a |January 17, 2001) at 16-06-2003 01:04:10, Serialize by Router on Notes02/Kglbib(Release 5.0.6a |January 17, 2001) at 16-06-2003 01:04:18, Serialize complete at 16-06-2003 01:04:18 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new I will be out of the office starting 13-06-2003 and will not return until 27-06-2003. I will respond to your message when I return. or try henrik@dupont.as _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: jenterli@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 16:40:31 -0400 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: James Enterline Subject: [MapHist] First scholarly review of "Erikson, Eskimos & Columbus" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new None will have waited more eagerly than I for the first appearance of a scholarly review of my new book. Such a review is now at hand in the International Journal of Maritime History, published by the Memorial University of Newfoundland and one of the most respected in its field. The review was written by Willem F.J. Moerzer Bruyns, senior curator at the Netherlands Maritime Museum and also one of the most respected workers in his field. Of all the words in his review, the dearest to me is, "convincing." Herewith quoting: It is now generally accepted that Leif Erikson "discovered" the northern part of the New World around AD 1000. The book under review was written to show that far more of New World cartography was known to Europeans before the time of Columbus. The author argues that cartographic knowledge of northern America was in fact transmitted by Eskimos to Norsemen in the Middle Ages and early Renaissance, and that the result was subsequently incorporated in maps and charts. Enterline supports his theory by convincingly showing that parts of the coastline and contours of islands in northern Europe, as shown in early maps and charts, conform almost exactly to coastlines of northern America. He argues that although these coastlines and islands appear to be in northern Europe, they are in fact part of North America. Early cartographers simply put them in the wrong place. To realize that this is a more than fair assumption, one need only look at a mediaeval map of a large area. At the time cartographers had limited knowledge of the image of the world, especially of the Arctic. To support his theory on the early transfer of cartographic information from the Eskimos to Norsemen, the author discusses, along with other matters, the regular maritime trade in pre-Columbian times between northern Europe and Greenland. Why indeed would these traders not have ventured beyond Davis Strait, into what is now northern Canada, and have established contact with indigenous peoples? Enterline researched the physical details of Norse contact with America and published his findings in 1972 in Viking America. This time he has examined pre-sixteenth century cartographic and written evidence, such as maps, charts and travel reports. He analysed and compared the images and descriptions for proof of early knowledge of the existence of the New World. The author has done this thoroughly and in a professional way. In the course of his analysis, Enterline revives the old debate concerning the authenticity of the Yale Vinland Map. This dates from ca. 1440, and belongs to Yale University, but its authenticity has been controversial since 1957 [sic] when twentieth-century materials were detected in the ink used in the map. Erikson, Eskimos & Columbus includes an appendix based on an earlier paper by the author in which he recommends that the Vinland Map be re-examined using current technology. He makes a convincing case that this be done. Erikson, Eskimos & Columbus is the result of thorough research, and the conclusions, if perhaps controversial to some, have been carefully considered before being written down. The book is well arranged and contains many illustrations of maps, charts and modern explanatory cartographic drawings. The publisher may be complimented for managing to place almost all the illustrations on the same pages were their contents are discussed. This makes reading easy, especially in a book where the text refers to the illustrations almost continually. Nevertheless, and notwithstanding the attractive design of the book, one would like to have seen at least some of the reproductions of the early maps and charts in their original color. This deficiency was no doubt determined by cost. End of quotation, from International Journal of Maritime History, Vol. XIV No. 2, pp. 389-390 (December, 2002). For more information on the book, see http://www.press.jhu.edu/press/books/titles/s02/s02ener.htm Best wishes, Jim. _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Originating-IP: [63.159.130.192] X-Originating-Email: [neseaplanes@msn.com] From: "Hardy LeBel" To: "Map History Univ of Utrich" Subject: Re: [MapHist] First scholarly review of "Erikson, Eskimos & Columbus" Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 21:08:18 -0400 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.02.0011.2700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jun 2003 01:08:07.0291 (UTC) FILETIME=[13C85CB0:01C33536] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new
Jim,
 
Congratulations.
 
Hardy LeBel, FN '94
 
----- Original Message -----
From: James Enterline
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 4:54 PM
To: maphist@geog.uu.nl
Subject: [MapHist] First scholarly review of "Erikson, Eskimos & Columbus"
 
None will have waited more eagerly than I for the first appearance of a
scholarly review of my new book.  Such a review is now at hand in the
International Journal of Maritime History, published by the Memorial
University of Newfoundland and one of the most respected in its field.  The
review was written by Willem F.J. Moerzer Bruyns, senior curator at the
Netherlands Maritime Museum and also one of the most respected workers in
his field.  Of all the words in his review, the dearest to me is, "convincing."

Herewith quoting:

It is now generally accepted that Leif Erikson "discovered" the northern
part of the New World around AD 1000.  The book under review was written to
show that far more of New World cartography was known to Europeans before
the time of Columbus.  The author argues that cartographic knowledge of
northern America was in fact transmitted by Eskimos to Norsemen in the
Middle Ages and early Renaissance, and that the result was subsequently
incorporated in maps and charts.  Enterline supports his theory by
convincingly showing that parts of the coastline and contours of islands in
northern Europe, as shown in early maps and charts, conform almost exactly
to coastlines of northern America.  He argues that although these
coastlines and islands appear to be in northern Europe, they are in fact
part of North America.  Early cartographers simply put them in the wrong
place.  To realize that this is a more than fair assumption, one need only
look at a mediaeval map of a large area.  At the time cartographers had
limited knowledge of the image of the world, especially of the Arctic.

To support his theory on the early transfer of cartographic information
from the Eskimos to Norsemen, the author discusses, along with other
matters, the regular maritime trade in pre-Columbian times between northern
Europe and Greenland.  Why indeed would these traders not have ventured
beyond Davis Strait, into what is now northern Canada, and have established
contact with indigenous peoples?

Enterline researched the physical details of Norse contact with America and
published his findings in 1972 in Viking America.  This time he has
examined pre-sixteenth century cartographic and written evidence, such as
maps, charts and travel reports.  He analysed and compared the images and
descriptions for proof of early knowledge of the existence of the New
World.  The author has done this thoroughly  and in a professional way.  In
the course of his analysis, Enterline revives the old debate concerning the
authenticity of the Yale Vinland Map.  This dates from ca. 1440, and
belongs to Yale University, but its authenticity has been controversial
since 1957 [sic] when twentieth-century materials were detected in the ink
used in the map.  Erikson, Eskimos & Columbus includes an appendix based on
an earlier paper by the author in which he recommends that the Vinland Map
be re-examined using current technology.  He makes a convincing case that
this be done.

Erikson, Eskimos & Columbus is the result of thorough research, and the
conclusions, if perhaps controversial to some, have been carefully
considered before being written down.  The book is well arranged and
contains many illustrations of maps, charts and modern explanatory
cartographic drawings.  The publisher may be complimented for managing to
place almost all the illustrations on the same pages were their contents
are discussed.  This makes reading easy, especially in a book where the
text refers to the illustrations almost continually.  Nevertheless, and
notwithstanding the attractive design of the book, one would like to have
seen at least some of the reproductions of the early maps and charts in
their original color.  This deficiency was no doubt determined by cost.

End of quotation, from International Journal of Maritime History, Vol. XIV
No. 2, pp. 389-390 (December, 2002).  For more information on the book, see

http://www.press.jhu.edu/press/books/titles/s02/s02ener.htm

Best wishes,    Jim.


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 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: np003a5704@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 02:28:51 +0100 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Nick Pelling Subject: Re: [MapHist] First scholarly review of "Erikson, Eskimos & Columbus" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jun 2003 01:28:57.0818 (UTC) FILETIME=[FD27A3A0:01C33538] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Hi Jim, Good work! BTW, I've been a vinland@yahoogroups.com lurker for a while, you might find that an interesting (and very well-informed) forum to have a look at. :-) Best regards, .....Nick Pelling..... _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. 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List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 00:02:34 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [MapHist] Lake Victoria in old maps From: "Peter van der Krogt" To: maphist@geog.uu.nl User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.0 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new From ChetV@aol.com Subject Lake Victoria in old maps Date Tue, June 17, 2003 7:43 pm To p.vanderkrogt@geog.uu.nl -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Dr. Maho, I thought that these works might be of interest to you: Autor(es): Relaño, Francesc Título: Los grandes mitos geograficos de la cartografia africana en el siglo XVI Fuente: Dynamis: Acta Hispanica ad Medicinae Scientiarumque Historiam Illustrandam, 1993; 13 Página(s): 173-200 Resumen: En el siglo XVI, todo intento de reconstruccion geografica referente a Africa debia enfrentarse a un conocimiento desigual entre una franja costera familiar y un interior continental ignoto. Sin embargo, lejos de reconocer esta realidad, la cartografia del Cinquecento se caracteriza por la utilizacion de todo tipo de artimañas con las que poder "inventar" el terriotorio en aquellos casos en que no era suficientemenmte conocido. Entre ellas destaca la utilizacion de mitos geograficos, de cuyo analisis y evolucion a lo largo del siglo XVI trata nuestro estudio. Relaño, Francesc. La emergencia de Africa como continente: un Nuevo mundo a partir del Viejo. Lleida [Spain]: Edicions de la Universitat de Lleida, 2000. 124 p. Relaño, Francesc, The Shaping of Africa: Cosmographic Discourse and Cartographic Science in Late Medieval and Early Modern Europe (Burlington, VT, and Aldershot, UK: Ashgate, 2001) Best wishes, Chet Van Duzer 12177 Winton Way Los Altos Hills, CA 94024-6431 USA tel (650) 941-7411 fax (650) 948-9472 _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: afrjm@mail.hum.gu.se (Unverified) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:52:00 +0200 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Jouni Filip Maho Subject: Re: [MapHist] Lake Victoria in old maps X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Andre Engels: > >>It seems to me that the most likely source of such early depictions >of lakes in central Africa is Ptolemeus's claim that the Nile originates >in a pair of lakes. With apologies for a potentially ignorant question (not being a classical scholar), but did Ptolemy really know about Lake Victoria? Or did he just assume that the Nile must start from somewhere, so that his lakes are more "symbolic" than actual representations of lakes he knew about? Best regards, Jouni Maho Department of Oriental and African Languages Goteborg University _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: afrjm@mail.hum.gu.se (Unverified) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:52:58 +0200 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Jouni Filip Maho Subject: Re: [MapHist] Lake Victoria in old maps X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Chet Van Duzer wrote: > >I thought that these works might be of interest to you: > [snip] > Thanks! I'll definitely look into those sources. Best regards, Jouni Maho Department of Oriental and African Languages Goteborg University _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Fleet, Christopher" To: "'maphist@geog.uu.nl'" Subject: [MapHist] New addition to Pont maps website Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 16:10:26 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new [Apologies for cross-posting] We are pleased to release a substantial addition of textual notes deriving from Timothy Pont, the Scottish map-maker, to the 'Pont maps website' at www.nls.uk/pont. This material amounts to nearly 100 pages of handwritten geographic information from the 'Topographical Notices of Scotland' (held in the National Library of Scotland at Adv.MS.34.2.8), which have been carefully and freshly transcribed. Although the notes are in the handwriting of Robert Gordon of Straloch (who worked with Pont's material in the 1630s and 1640s) there are good grounds for arguing that the original author of a large share of them was Timothy Pont. The texts provide detailed topographic information about late 16th century Scotland, as well as reaffirming Timothy Pont's role not only as a map-maker but also as a chorographer, writing regional topographic descriptions. The texts also support some of Pont's cartographic information, they provide clues to his survey methods, and they cover areas not covered by surviving manuscript maps. The website includes a number of search methods for the texts, including a detailed gazetteer of significant names, fully searchable transcriptions of the texts themselves, and zoomable, high-resolution colour images of the original pages of handwritten text. View the Pont texts at: www.nls.uk/pont/texts/index.html Christopher Fleet Map Library National Library of Scotland 33 Salisbury Place EDINBURGH, EH9 1SL. Scotland. Tel. 0131 466 3813 Fax. 0131 466 3812 E-mail: c.fleet@nls.uk Map website images: www.nls.uk/maps _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] LC acquisition To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 From: "Dalia E Varanka" Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 07:56:26 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on gsmorllm01/SERVER/USGS/DOI(Release 5.0.12 |February 13, 2003) at 06/20/2003 07:56:28 AM X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new For those of you who don't check the NY Times editorial page first thing in the morning, you may be interested in a commentary on the Library of Congress acquisition of Waldseemuller's 1507 map of "America." http://nytimes.com/2003/06/20/opinion/20FRI4.html Dalia Varanka Research Geographer U.S. Geological Survey 1400 Independence Road Rolla, Mo 65401 Tel. 573.308.3897 Fax 573.308.3652 Internet: dvaranka@usgs.gov _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Carlucci, April" To: "Carto-Soc@Sheffield. Ac. Uk (E-mail)" , "Lis-Maps (E-mail)" , "Listserv@Uga. Cc. Uga. Edu (E-mail)" , "Maphist (E-mail)" Cc: Press-and-PR , "Barber, Peter" Subject: [MapHist] Display of D-Day mapping at the British Library Map Collections Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 16:46:02 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Hello (and please excuse the cross-posting) A small display of mapping entitled D-Day June 6th, 1944: Europe on the threshold of liberty has been installed in the lobby of the Maps Reading Room of the British Library, St Pancras, London. Much of the mapping on display comes from the extensive collections of military mapping donated to the BL by the Ministry of Defence. Please see our website at http://www.bl.uk/collections/map_exhibitions.html for further details and hours and location information. A free information sheet about D-Day mapping is available. Please do come for a visit! 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List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 08:07:52 -0500 From: Preston Figley User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] Old Maps and Prints updated website X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Dear MapHist Readers, Our revised and updated website -- our first in more than year, with many new maps -- is now live at . We specialize in maps of America, as our name implies, with some world maps. Best regards, Preston and Petra Figley Old Maps and Prints Fort Worth, Texas Member, International Antiquarian Mapsellers Association _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "anna oliver" To: Subject: [MapHist] Ordnance Survey errors Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 11:34:09 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jun 2003 10:36:04.0229 (UTC) FILETIME=[14DF7350:01C338AA] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new hello I heard the other day on Radio 4 (and I've heard it elsewhere also) that O.S. build in errors to their maps to protect their copyright. I am writing a dissertation and have included this information in it. However, my tutor wants evidence, or at least evidence that someone else has said it. Does anyone have any ideas? I can't remember the name or time of the programme, have looked on Radio 4s website but no joy. I also remember that OS wouldn't send anyone to talk to the programme in case they acidentally gave away a secret or something so I don't think theres much point me writing to them. Any ideas appreciated thanks anna _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: np003a5704@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 12:40:31 +0100 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Nick Pelling Subject: Re: [MapHist] Ordnance Survey errors X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jun 2003 11:40:36.0713 (UTC) FILETIME=[190D9D90:01C338B3] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Hi Anna, >I heard the other day on Radio 4 (and I've heard it elsewhere also) that >O.S. build in errors to their maps to protect their copyright. I am writing >a dissertation and have included this information in it. >However, my tutor wants evidence, or at least evidence that someone else has >said it. Does anyone have any ideas? I can't remember the name or time of >the programme, have looked on Radio 4s website but no joy. I also remember >that OS wouldn't send anyone to talk to the programme in case they >acidentally gave away a secret or something so I don't think theres much >point me writing to them. > >Any ideas appreciated Asking the OS directly for an old example (ie, from an outdated map) might work - no doubt their steganography has improved over time. :-) Good luck!, .....Nick Pelling..... _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Organization: The Ohio State University Center for Mapping Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 13:53:03 -0400 From: "Duane F. Marble" Organization: OSU Center for Mapping User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 (nscd2) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: Re: [MapHist] Ordnance Survey errors X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Take a look at Mark Monmonier's book: Drawing the Line: Tales of Maps and Cartocontroversy I seem to recall him discussing this problem but not in an OS context. Nick Pelling wrote: > Hi Anna, > >> I heard the other day on Radio 4 (and I've heard it elsewhere also) that >> O.S. build in errors to their maps to protect their copyright. I am >> writing >> a dissertation and have included this information in it. >> However, my tutor wants evidence, or at least evidence that someone >> else has >> said it. Does anyone have any ideas? I can't remember the name or >> time of >> the programme, have looked on Radio 4s website but no joy. I also >> remember >> that OS wouldn't send anyone to talk to the programme in case they >> acidentally gave away a secret or something so I don't think theres much >> point me writing to them. >> >> Any ideas appreciated > > > Asking the OS directly for an old example (ie, from an outdated map) > might work - no doubt their steganography has improved over time. :-) > > Good luck!, .....Nick Pelling..... > > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.info > > -- Dr. Duane F. Marble Telephone: 614-457-7155 1310 Langston Drive Upper Arlington, OH 43220-3900 Fax: 614-457-7155 Email: marble.1@osu.edu Cell Phone: 541-991-1730 New Address (after July 15th): 2226 Primrose Lane Florence, OR 97439-7627 _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Charles Burroughs" To: Subject: RE: [MapHist] "The Boundless Deep..."-- Newport Art Museum through July 27, 2003 Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 21:31:24 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new

Thanks, Joel, for this notification.

 

Will try to get up to view this exhibit in conjunction with a trip up to the Cape in July to pay a call on my 92-yr-old mother living on Cape Cod.

 

Best regards,

 

Charles

 

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From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl [mailto:owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl]On Behalf Of Joel Kovarsky
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Subject: [MapHist] "The Boundless Deep..."-- Newport Art Museum through July 27, 2003

 

We have just returned from a visit to Newport, Rhode Island. Of the more memorable events was the privilege of seeing the current exhibit, "The Boundless Deep...": The European Conquest of the Oceans 1450-1840, currently on display at the Cushing Gallery of the Newport Art Museum. This impressive and carefully crafted exhibit showcases a significant number of holdings from The John Carter Brown Library, pertaining to the stated subject. There are maps, charts, engravings, books and atlases from such notables as Allard, Blaeu, de Bry, Dampier, Seller, Ortelius, Braun (& Hogenberg), Purchas, Schedel, Ringold, Boazio, Buache, Burchett, Goos, Apian, Doncker, Moll, Bellin, de Barres, La Perouse, Bougainville, Waghenaer and more.

The well-illustrated 204 page catalogue is carefully referenced, with chronological, author/title, and general indices. A list of secondary sources is also provided. The catalogue organization closely reflects that of the exhibit, and is divided into seven chapters: Discovering the Globe and Sky, Discovering the Nature of the Sea (Winds, Tides, Currents), Preparing to Sail, Life at Sea, Paths Across the Sea, Activities (Commerce, Harvesting, Violence, Regulation), The Literature of the Sea.

If you have a chance, get to the exhibit. If not, try to get a copy of the catalogue. The scope and scholarship of the exhibit is quite impressive. (There is also an associated lecture series staggered over the course of the exhibit.)

                 Joel Kovarsky

 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 09:45:08 +0800 From: johnlsaunders@judiciary.gov.hk Subject: [MapHist] A good retailer To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Cc: aotosing@mbox5.singnet.com.sg X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on hc-oamta-svr-03/Judiciary(Release 5.0.10 |March 22, 2002) at 2003/06/23 09:45:13 AM Sensitivity: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new In January I was on holiday in Singapore, and as is my wont, and I suspect the wont of most of us, I checked out the local map dealers. The biggest is "Antiques of the Orient Pte. Ltd." who have a gallery at #02-40, Tanglin Shopping Centre, 19 Tanglin Rd, Singapore. I found a very nice map of Macao to add to my little collection of maps of Hong Kong, Canton and Macao and a nice print of Hong Kong as well. Happily paid and left and thought nothing more of it other than that I had two nice purchases and had spent a pleasant 2 hours browsing in a pleasant, well lit, and well arranged shop with a good inventory that I would visit again next time I am in Singapore. Imagine my delight when, in April I received a letter from them pointing out that they had inadvertently overcharged me S$104 (US$60.00) and that they had credited that sum to my credit card. I had not noticed the overcharge and they need not have raised it with me. A retailer like this deserves to be well known in the map history community. If you ever have time to spare please visit them. I recommend them. John Saunders Hong Kong _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Originating-IP: [24.116.177.126] X-Originating-Email: [rhekier@hotmail.com] From: "Ron Hekier" To: Subject: Re: [MapHist] Ordnance Survey errors Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 21:22:13 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jun 2003 02:22:13.0947 (UTC) FILETIME=[4242F8B0:01C3392E] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Anna, From Miles Harvey's "The Island of Lost Maps" pp140-141. While visiting the facilities of the American Map Co.he is told that the company "uses a trick called trap streets to discourage competitors from infringing on its copyright. This practice, common to the industry, involves hiding a fictional roadway somewhere on each map... 'We place the trap streets in areas that would be relatively harmless and would not mislead someone using the map - just a cul-de-sac at the end of some developments,' Benson said. 'I let my researchers be creative in deciding on the names: they might name the street after their wife or dog or whatever.'" Given the commercial secrecy involved, I would be surprised if anyone (OS or private company) provided you with such information. Regards, Ron Hekier ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duane F. Marble" To: Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 12:53 PM Subject: Re: [MapHist] Ordnance Survey errors > Take a look at Mark Monmonier's book: > Drawing the Line: Tales of Maps and Cartocontroversy > I seem to recall him discussing this problem but not in an OS context. > > Nick Pelling wrote: > > > Hi Anna, > > > >> I heard the other day on Radio 4 (and I've heard it elsewhere also) that > >> O.S. build in errors to their maps to protect their copyright. I am > >> writing > >> a dissertation and have included this information in it. > >> However, my tutor wants evidence, or at least evidence that someone > >> else has > >> said it. Does anyone have any ideas? I can't remember the name or > >> time of > >> the programme, have looked on Radio 4s website but no joy. I also > >> remember > >> that OS wouldn't send anyone to talk to the programme in case they > >> acidentally gave away a secret or something so I don't think theres much > >> point me writing to them. > >> > >> Any ideas appreciated > > > > > > Asking the OS directly for an old example (ie, from an outdated map) > > might work - no doubt their steganography has improved over time. :-) > > > > Good luck!, .....Nick Pelling..... > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > > hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. > > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > > the views of the author. > > List Information: http://www.maphist.info > > > > > > -- > Dr. Duane F. Marble Telephone: 614-457-7155 > 1310 Langston Drive > Upper Arlington, OH 43220-3900 Fax: 614-457-7155 > Email: marble.1@osu.edu Cell Phone: 541-991-1730 > > New Address (after July 15th): > 2226 Primrose Lane > Florence, OR 97439-7627 > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.info > _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 19:11:35 -0800 From: Dee Longenbaugh Subject: Re: [MapHist] Ordnance Survey errors X-Sender: deelong@mail.gci.net To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new >Anna is querying about intentional errors. Somewhere I read a nice >article (Mercator's World?) on just that subject. It was complete >with maps showing a "trap street." Anyone else recall it? Dee the forgetful > > > >> >> I heard the other day on Radio 4 (and I've heard it elsewhere also) >that >> >> O.S. build in errors to their maps to protect their copyright. I am >> >> writing >> >> a dissertation and have included this information in it. >> >> However, my tutor wants evidence, or at least evidence that someone >> >> else has >> >> said it. Does anyone have any ideas? I can't remember the name or >> >> time of >> >> the programme, have looked on Radio 4s website but no joy. I also >> >> remember >> >> that OS wouldn't send anyone to talk to the programme in case they >> >> acidentally gave away a secret or something so I don't think theres >much >> >> point me writing to them. >> >> >> >> Any ideas appreciated >> > > > > >\_____________________________________ > > > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >> > hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. >> > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >> > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >> > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for >> > the views of the author. >> > List Information: http://www.maphist.info >> > >> > >> >> -- >> Dr. Duane F. Marble Telephone: 614-457-7155 >> 1310 Langston Drive >> Upper Arlington, OH 43220-3900 Fax: 614-457-7155 >> Email: marble.1@osu.edu Cell Phone: 541-991-1730 >> >> New Address (after July 15th): >> 2226 Primrose Lane >> Florence, OR 97439-7627 >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________________________ >> MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >> hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. >> The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >> the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >> Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for >> the views of the author. >> List Information: http://www.maphist.info >> >_______________________________________________________________ >MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. >The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for >the views of the author. >List Information: http://www.maphist.info -- The Observatory, ABAA 200 North Franklin Street Juneau, Alaska 99801 907/586-9676 fax 907/586-9606 deelong@alaska.com http://www.observatorybooks.com Since 1977 _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: afrjm@mail.hum.gu.se Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 05:28:41 +0200 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Jouni Filip Maho Subject: Re: [MapHist] Ordnance Survey errors X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Duane F. Marble wrote: > >Take a look at Mark Monmonier's book: > Drawing the Line: Tales of Maps and Cartocontroversy >I seem to recall him discussing this problem but not in an OS context. I have his book "How to lie with maps" (Uo Chicago Press, 1996). He discusses and exemplifies "trap streets" (and towns! on larger-scale maps) over a couple of pages. --- jouni maho _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 20:22:21 -0700 From: Martin Kyle Subject: Re: [MapHist] Ordnance Survey errors To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Hi Anna: You could take data from different vendors covering identical geographies and then compare the differences to find outliers (the assumption being that different data vendors will not copy each other's copyright protection). By groundtruthing the outliers you may be able to identify these "traps" used in copyrighting. Martin Kyle BTW I believe Monmonier also mentions this technique in "How to Lie with Maps" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Hekier" To: Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [MapHist] Ordnance Survey errors > Anna, > > From Miles Harvey's "The Island of Lost Maps" pp140-141. > While visiting the facilities of the American Map Co.he is told that the > company "uses a trick called trap streets to discourage competitors from > infringing on its copyright. This practice, common to the industry, > involves hiding a fictional roadway somewhere on each map... > 'We place the trap streets in areas that would be relatively harmless and > would not mislead someone using the map - just a cul-de-sac at the end of > some developments,' Benson said. 'I let my researchers be creative in > deciding on the names: they might name the street after their wife or dog or > whatever.'" > > Given the commercial secrecy involved, I would be surprised if anyone (OS or > private company) provided you with such information. > > Regards, > Ron Hekier > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Duane F. Marble" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 12:53 PM > Subject: Re: [MapHist] Ordnance Survey errors > > > > Take a look at Mark Monmonier's book: > > Drawing the Line: Tales of Maps and Cartocontroversy > > I seem to recall him discussing this problem but not in an OS context. > > > > Nick Pelling wrote: > > > > > Hi Anna, > > > > > >> I heard the other day on Radio 4 (and I've heard it elsewhere also) > that > > >> O.S. build in errors to their maps to protect their copyright. I am > > >> writing > > >> a dissertation and have included this information in it. > > >> However, my tutor wants evidence, or at least evidence that someone > > >> else has > > >> said it. Does anyone have any ideas? I can't remember the name or > > >> time of > > >> the programme, have looked on Radio 4s website but no joy. I also > > >> remember > > >> that OS wouldn't send anyone to talk to the programme in case they > > >> acidentally gave away a secret or something so I don't think theres > much > > >> point me writing to them. > > >> > > >> Any ideas appreciated > > > > > > > > > Asking the OS directly for an old example (ie, from an outdated map) > > > might work - no doubt their steganography has improved over time. :-) > > > > > > Good luck!, .....Nick Pelling..... > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > > > hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. > > > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > > > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > > > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > > > the views of the author. > > > List Information: http://www.maphist.info > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Dr. Duane F. Marble Telephone: 614-457-7155 > > 1310 Langston Drive > > Upper Arlington, OH 43220-3900 Fax: 614-457-7155 > > Email: marble.1@osu.edu Cell Phone: 541-991-1730 > > > > New Address (after July 15th): > > 2226 Primrose Lane > > Florence, OR 97439-7627 > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > > hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. > > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > > the views of the author. > > List Information: http://www.maphist.info > > > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.info _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Rodney Shirley" To: Subject: Re: [MapHist] Ordnance Survey errors Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 20:43:37 +0100 Organization: UUNET X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new To Anna Oliver Check press accounts or original transcripts of the legal case between the O S and either the RAC or the AA (I think the former) which was heard in court about a couple of years ago. I think you will find cast iron evidence. Rodney Shirley rws@dial.pipexcom ----- Original Message ----- From: "anna oliver" To: Sent: 22 June 2003 11:34 Subject: [MapHist] Ordnance Survey errors > hello > > I heard the other day on Radio 4 (and I've heard it elsewhere also) that > O.S. build in errors to their maps to protect their copyright. I am writing > a dissertation and have included this information in it. > However, my tutor wants evidence, or at least evidence that someone else has > said it. Does anyone have any ideas? I can't remember the name or time of > the programme, have looked on Radio 4s website but no joy. I also remember > that OS wouldn't send anyone to talk to the programme in case they > acidentally gave away a secret or something so I don't think theres much > point me writing to them. > > Any ideas appreciated > > thanks > > anna > > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.info _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "anna oliver" To: Subject: Re: [MapHist] Ordnance Survey errors Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 09:05:24 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jun 2003 08:07:20.0436 (UTC) FILETIME=[A2B43340:01C33A27] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Thanks for all your help. I have the How to Lie with Maps book, so could refer to the american example if I have to, it'd be nice to be able to use the OS example though - I will look up the press cuttings about the AA/RAC and OS. thanks again! anna oliver www.annao.org www.dockstories.co.uk _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "anna oliver" To: Subject: Re: [MapHist] Ordnance Survey errors Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 10:28:02 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jun 2003 09:29:58.0075 (UTC) FILETIME=[5819A0B0:01C33AFC] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Thanks all. I found these if anyones interested: Article about OS su(e?)ing the AA and winning: http://lists.firedrake.org/gzg/200103/msg00206.html Notes and queries in Guardian answering the question: http://www.guardian.co.uk/notesandqueries/query/0,5753,-23401,00.html thanks again anna oliver www.dockstories.co.uk www.annao.org _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: vanderkr18@mail.vanderkrogt.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 10:05:10 +0200 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl (by way of Peter van der Krogt ) Subject: [MapHist] Request for help (short essays on Bartholomew and Arrowsmith) Cc: j.ryan@qub.ac.uk X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Non-member submission from [James Ryan ] Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 12:18:01 +0100 Subject: Request for help Would it be possible to place the following (or something similar) on your web site - or distribute on your email lists to relevant map historians? ****************************************************** Wanted urgently: someone to write very short historical essays on two key nineteenth-century map makers. 'The Dictionary of Nineteenth-Century British Scientists', edited by Bernard Lightman and published by Thoemmes Press, is seeking someone to write short (600 words) historical biographical entries on each of the following cartographers: John Bartholomew 1831-1893 John Arrowsmith 1790-1873 This is a major work of scholarship, with some 1300 entries covering all the major British scientific figures during the period and we are keen that these influential figures in nineteenth century cartography be included. A small honorarium is payable for each entry. For further information please contact j.ryan@qub.ac.uk ******************************************************* Many thanks Best wishes Dr James R. Ryan School of Geography Queen's University Belfast Belfast BT7 1NN Northern Ireland Tel: 028 9027 3981 Fax: 028 9032 1280 email: j.ryan@qub.ac.uk _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: vanderkr18@mail.vanderkrogt.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 10:07:31 +0200 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl (by way of Peter van der Krogt ) Subject: [MapHist] A. Bradley Map of the United States X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Non-member submission from ["Marti Griggs" ] Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 11:21:50 -0700 Dear Map-Hist Readers: Can anyone shed some light on this map? We've exhausted our references, including Phillips, and find nothing. The map is similar in title to Bradley's better known, but smaller, map. It is approximately 62" x 48" on four joined sheets. It includes a large inset of North America with its own inset titled "Sketch shewing the Continuance of Parry's Track in 1819". The title: "Map/of the/United States/Intended Chiefly to/Exhibit the Post Roads & Distances/By/Abraham Bradley" Below title: "Engrav'd & Printed by W.H. ?????" (due to small loss) At lower right outside neatline: "Entered as the Act directs, May 5th, 182?" (due to small loss) Sincerely, Marti Griggs Old World Auctions _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 09:33:08 -0500 From: "Dana A. Freiburger" Subject: [MapHist] Request for help in locating a Portuguese Map Collection To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.0.3 (Mac OS/PPC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Greetings, I would like to request help in locating a Portuguese Collection in order to order a photograph of a map. The map is shown in Vol. IV of the Portugaliae Monumenta Cartographica Plate 420F, and is a view of the Port City of Cochim by Manuel Godinho de Erédia from his Atlas Miscelanea de 1615-1622. Via to this reference, the map is from the "Carlos M.C.M. Figueira Collection" in Lisbon. This information is from page 5 of Volume VI listing institutions. I have not been able to locate this collection and wanted to ask the list for assistance as to where this collection may be located. Any reference, hints, and suggestions appreciated. With regards, Dana Freiburger Madison, Wisconsin _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Originating-IP: [204.213.37.215] X-Original-From: philhoehn@juno.com Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 16:35:58 GMT To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Cc: oldworld@uneedspeed.net Subject: Re: [MapHist] A. Bradley Map of the United States X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 From: philhoehn@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new The following from the Rumsey Collection website might be useful. Map of the United States, Exhibiting the Post-Roads, the situations, connexions and distances of the Post-Offices, Stage Roads, Counties & Principal Rivers By Abraham Bradley Junr. Entered ... 2nd day of June 1804, by Abraham Bradley Junr. of the District of Columbia. (inset) Map Of North America. 1812 Scale 1:1,950,000. 95 x 131 cm. Notes: 4th ed., corrected to 1812, but dated 1804. Originally issued in 1804. This copy is dated 1804 but is corrected for political and topographical changes to 1812. It shows Louisiana and Missouri Territory, both of which were established in 1812. There has been extensive redrawing of the Mississippi River from the junction of the Ohio north to the Wyaconda River (probably due to the public surveys in southern Illinois, evidenced by the appearance of Township and Range lines there). Numerous other changes from the 1804 ed. have been made throughout the map adding new counties, towns, roads, and changed physical features, primarily in the mid and western portions. So far we have been able to identify 1804, 1806, 1809, and 1812 eds., but it is likely that other eds. will be discovered. The dates are estimates based on the political changes on the maps - all eds. are dated 1804 on the title. Since it was a postal map and needed to be current as to towns, road and counties, it is probable that the map was updated every few years, until a new plate was made in 1819 by Harrison (Karpinski 59, Karrow 1-1466). The 1796 ed. (a different engraving) was changed four times in as many years (Wheat & Brun 127-130). The 1819 ed. became the official post office map in 1825, used until 1829 (Ristow). All of the 1804 to 1812 eds. were originally engraved by Francis Shallus of Philadelphia. Outline color. In original condition, dissected into 32 sections and mounted on linen, in original quarter leather marbled covers 27x20 with ties (remnants now). "Bradley's U. States" stamped in gild on the spine. http://www.davidrumsey.com/insightredirector/insightredirector.asp?cid=8&iia=0&ig=David%20Rumsey%20Collection&isl=0&gwisp=0%7CPub_List_No%7CPub%20List%20No%7C1%7C2929.000%7C2&gwia=3&gc=0 More information available at the above Webpage (click on "data") Phil Hoehn, Map Librarian San Francisco -- philhoehn@juno.com ----------------------------------- Contractor for David Rumsey Collection: http://www.davidrumsey.com --- owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl (by way of Peter van der Krogt ) wrote: Non-member submission from ["Marti Griggs" ] Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 11:21:50 -0700 Dear Map-Hist Readers: Can anyone shed some light on this map? We've exhausted our references, including Phillips, and find nothing. The map is similar in title to Bradley's better known, but smaller, map. It is approximately 62" x 48" on four joined sheets. It includes a large inset of North America with its own inset titled "Sketch shewing the Continuance of Parry's Track in 1819". The title: "Map/of the/United States/Intended Chiefly to/Exhibit the Post Roads & Distances/By/Abraham Bradley" Below title: "Engrav'd & Printed by W.H. ?????" (due to small loss) At lower right outside neatline: "Entered as the Act directs, May 5th, 182?" (due to small loss) _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 09:45:55 -0700 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl, maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Barry Ruderman Subject: Re: [MapHist] A. Bradley Map of the United States X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Ah Kurt...bought the map in San Diego eh? At 10:07 AM 6/26/2003 +0200, owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl wrote: >Non-member submission from ["Marti Griggs" ] > >Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 11:21:50 -0700 > >Dear Map-Hist Readers: > >Can anyone shed some light on this map? We've exhausted our references, >including Phillips, and find nothing. The map is similar in title to >Bradley's better known, but smaller, map. It is approximately 62" x 48" on >four joined sheets. It includes a large inset of North America with its own >inset titled "Sketch shewing the Continuance of Parry's Track in 1819". > >The title: > >"Map/of the/United States/Intended Chiefly to/Exhibit the Post Roads & >Distances/By/Abraham Bradley" > >Below title: "Engrav'd & Printed by W.H. ?????" (due to small loss) > >At lower right outside neatline: "Entered as the Act directs, May 5th, 182?" >(due to small loss) > >Sincerely, > >Marti Griggs >Old World Auctions > >_______________________________________________________________ >MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. >The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for >the views of the author. >List Information: http://www.maphist.info _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Curt Griggs" To: Subject: [MapHist] Query: Bradley's United States Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 10:22:34 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Re: variant of Bradley's United States map Can anyone shed some light on this map? We've exhausted our references, including Phillips, and find nothing. The map is similar in title to Bradley's better known, but smaller, map first published in 1796. This example is approximately 62" x 48" with a large inset of North America with its own inset titled "Sketch shewing the Continuance of Parry's Track in 1819". It is on four joined sheets. The title: "Map/of the/United States/Intended Chiefly to/Exhibit the Post Roads & Distances/By/Abraham Bradley" Below title: "Engrav'd & Printed by W.H. ?????" (due to small loss) At lower right outside neatline: "Entered as the Act directs, May 5th, 182?" (due to small loss) Regards, Curt Griggs Old World Auctions curt@oldmaps.com _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "van der heijden" To: Subject: [MapHist] three ahelfmarks Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:23:07 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new

The following three maps will be in the Un.Libr of Cambridge. I do not have the e-mail address. I am looking for the shelfmarks.

Thank you Henk van der Heijden

(1) Louis Charles Desnos, Atlas moderne ou Collection de Cartes [. . .] - Paris: Lattré & Delalain [1771-1783].

(2) Rigobert Bonne, Atlas moderne ou Collection de Cartes [. . .] - Paris: Lattré & Delamarche, 1787.

(3) S. Edwards, A new Compendium of Geography [. . .] - London: 1765.

 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: vanderkr18@mail.vanderkrogt.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:07:51 +0200 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl (by way of Peter van der Krogt ) Subject: Re: [MapHist] three ahelfmarks X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Non-member submission from [Mathieu Franssen ] Dear Henk, e-mail adress of Cambridge University Library: library@lib.cam.ac.uk Mathieu ----- Original Message -----=20 From: van der heijden=20 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl=20 Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 12:23 PM Subject: [MapHist] three ahelfmarks The following three maps will be in the Un.Libr of Cambridge. I do not = have the e-mail address. I am looking for the shelfmarks. Thank you Henk van der Heijden _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: vanderkr18@mail.vanderkrogt.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:28:11 +0200 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Peter van der Krogt Subject: [MapHist] List-owner's message: 7 addresses removed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Because of undeliverable error messages the following e-mail addresses are removed from the maphist list: blansett@fiu.edu cartographics@earthlink.net J_T_Ikins@MSN.COM janne.berg@SWIPNET.SE Roy.Chung@UNI.EDU redjacket@SPRINTMAIL.COM maps@SOVER.NET If somebody knows the owner of (one of) these e-mail addresses, please inform him or her that they have to re-s*bscribe maphist with a working e-mail address. Thanks Peter van der Krogt List-owner MapHist List-info: http://www.maphist.nl _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.7.1 Beta Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 08:45:37 -0400 From: "Pam van Ee" To: Cc: "James A Flatness" , "John R Hebert" , "Ronald E Grim" Subject: Re: [MapHist] Query: Bradley's United States X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Dear Curt: Thanks for your voice mail message. We are interested in exploring the possibility of purchasing this map. Please send us on a separate file (word or word perfect are easiest for us to use) a description such as the one below and the price of the map. Thank you again, Pam >>> curt@oldmaps.com 06/26/03 01:22PM >>> Re: variant of Bradley's United States map Can anyone shed some light on this map? We've exhausted our references, including Phillips, and find nothing. The map is similar in title to Bradley's better known, but smaller, map first published in 1796. This example is approximately 62" x 48" with a large inset of North America with its own inset titled "Sketch shewing the Continuance of Parry's Track in 1819". It is on four joined sheets. The title: "Map/of the/United States/Intended Chiefly to/Exhibit the Post Roads & Distances/By/Abraham Bradley" Below title: "Engrav'd & Printed by W.H. ?????" (due to small loss) At lower right outside neatline: "Entered as the Act directs, May 5th, 182?" (due to small loss) Regards, Curt Griggs Old World Auctions curt@oldmaps.com _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.7.1 Beta Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 08:50:46 -0400 From: "Pam van Ee" To: Subject: Re: [MapHist] Query: Bradley's United States X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Please disregard my earlier response to this query sent in error to the whole list. Thanks, Patricia Molen van Ee >>> curt@oldmaps.com 06/26/03 01:22PM >>> Re: variant of Bradley's United States map Can anyone shed some light on this map? We've exhausted our references, including Phillips, and find nothing. The map is similar in title to Bradley's better known, but smaller, map first published in 1796. This example is approximately 62" x 48" with a large inset of North America with its own inset titled "Sketch shewing the Continuance of Parry's Track in 1819". It is on four joined sheets. The title: "Map/of the/United States/Intended Chiefly to/Exhibit the Post Roads & Distances/By/Abraham Bradley" Below title: "Engrav'd & Printed by W.H. ?????" (due to small loss) At lower right outside neatline: "Entered as the Act directs, May 5th, 182?" (due to small loss) Regards, Curt Griggs Old World Auctions curt@oldmaps.com _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: F.Herbert@RGS.org To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: RE: [MapHist] three ahelfmarks/e-mail address Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:48:15 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new In addition (or more pertinently) the e-mail address for the Map Library at CUL is - maps@lib.cam.ac.uk which can be found on the online 'Directory of U.K. map collections', through 'Map Collections' on the 'History of Cartography' gateway site http://ihr.sas.ac.uk/maps/ Francis Herbert (Curator of Maps, RGS-IBG) f.herbert@rgs.org http://www.rgs.org [see 'Collections'/'Unlocking the Archives'] -----Original Message----- From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl [mailto:owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl] Sent: 27 June 2003 13:08 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: Re: [MapHist] three ahelfmarks Non-member submission from [Mathieu Franssen ] Dear Henk, e-mail adress of Cambridge University Library: library@lib.cam.ac.uk Mathieu ----- Original Message -----=20 From: van der heijden=20 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl=20 Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 12:23 PM Subject: [MapHist] three ahelfmarks The following three maps will be in the Un.Libr of Cambridge. I do not = have the e-mail address. I am looking for the shelfmarks. Thank you Henk van der Heijden _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: jsk@pop.gamewood.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 08:47:18 -0400 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Joel Kovarsky Subject: [MapHist] Journal of Map & Geography Libraries X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new I suspect many of you may already be aware of this planned journal, but I thought I'd pass the information along: . Joel Kovarsky _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 10:46:35 -0700 From: Loretta Simmerman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] Victor Levasseur X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Does anyone have information with regard to the life of 19th century French cartographer, Victor Levasseur. I've checked Tooley's, the internet, genealogy searches, the British Library, numerous cartographic works, but have acquired very little information. Any information or other sources would be appreciated Thanks Loretta Simmerman _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 Reply-To: From: "Waldo Tobler" To: Subject: FW: [MapHist] Victor Levasseur Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 06:06:00 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new -----Original Message----- From: Waldo Tobler [mailto:wtobler@earthlink.net] Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 12:24 PM To: 'owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.n' Cc: 'lorsim@earthlink.net' Subject: RE: [MapHist] Victor Levasseur In Osiris, Vol 3 (1937):269-404, there is an article by H. G. Finkhauser, "Historical development of the graphical respresentation of statistical data" which contains an interesting 'statistical map' (Statistique Figurative) by Levasseur on (page 356) and a reference to an international congress in Budapest in 1876. Only in the index do we find a first initial for Levasseur , namely 'E'. He is represented as being a French geography educator. Is this the same one or related? I have been unable to track him down, so I would be interested in anything that you find. Waldo Tobler http://www.geog.ucsb.edu/~tobler -----Original Message----- From: Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 9:47 AM Subject: [MapHist] Victor Levasseur Does anyone have information with regard to the life of 19th century French cartographer, Victor Levasseur. I've checked Tooley's, the internet, genealogy searches, the British Library, numerous cartographic works, but have acquired very little information. Any information or other sources would be appreciated Thanks Loretta Simmerman _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 From: "David G Anderson" To: Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 09:54:49 -0400 Subject: Re: [MapHist] Victor Levasseur Reply-To: anderson@glen-net.ca Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.11) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new A rather full overview of Victor Levasseur's cartographic offerings can be found on ABEbooks.com. One should use the advanced search on author using the expression "Levasseur, V*" in order to capture all variants on his name. There is a manuscript letter on ABEbooks.com by Emile Levasseur (1828-1911) who was an economist and social historian. D Anderson -- |((| David G & Delande Anderson |))| Bethune-Thompson House (est'd. 1784) |((| Glengarry County |))| Williamstown, ON K0C 2J0 Canada |((| 613 347-7192 |))| Rev John Bethune (1751-1815) 84th Royal Highland Emigrants |((| David Thompson (1770-1857) mapmaker, North West Company X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 21:03:09 +0200 Subject: Re: [MapHist] Victor Levasseur From: Posta Venezia To: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new I had in my hands the following atlas by Victor Lavasseur, whose title is full of information about him Atlas Classique Universel de Geographie Ancienne et Moderne avec text composé de 86 cartes dont 9 doubles dressé d'apres les materieaux les plus recéns par Victor Lavasseur Géographe Ingenieur Géometre du Cadastre Membre de la Societé de Géographie & de la Societé Asiatique de Paris. Secretaire Général de la Société d'Enseignement Universel. Publié par la Societé Nationale, aux Bureaux du Journal des Connaissance Utiles, Paris (no date, but around 1835), cm 14x10. Vladimiro WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW Vladimiro Valerio Via Raffaello Morghen, 88 I-80129 Napoli phone & fax +39-081-5568952 +39-335-403807 vladimir@unina.it Istituto Universitario di Architettura Dipartimento di Storia della Architettura San Polo 2468 - Palazzo Badoer I-30125 Venezia phone +39-041-2571458 fax +39-041-719044 vladimir@iuav.it WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW Il giorno 28-06-2003 19:46, Loretta Simmerman, lorsim@earthlink.net ha scritto: > Does anyone have information with regard to the life of 19th century > French cartographer, Victor Levasseur. I've checked Tooley's, the > internet, genealogy searches, the British Library, numerous cartographic > works, but have acquired very little information. Any information or > other sources would be appreciated > Thanks > Loretta Simmerman > > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.info _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Rodney Shirley" To: Subject: Re: [MapHist] A good retailer Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 21:58:27 +0100 Organization: UUNET X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new To John Saunders at al Nice to read your commendation of Antiques of the Orient, Singapore. In 1991 the Gallery was owned by Michael Sweet who hosted the 9th IMCoS International Symposium there with great flair. Most unfortunately he has since died but his reputation, and that of his shop, lives on. Rodney Shirley rws@dial.pipex.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: 23 June 2003 02:45 Subject: [MapHist] A good retailer > In January I was on holiday in Singapore, and as is my wont, and I suspect > the wont of most of us, I checked out the local map dealers. > > The biggest is "Antiques of the Orient Pte. Ltd." who have a gallery at > #02-40, Tanglin Shopping Centre, 19 Tanglin Rd, Singapore. > > I found a very nice map of Macao to add to my little collection of maps of > Hong Kong, Canton and Macao and a nice print of Hong Kong as well. Happily > paid and left and thought nothing more of it other than that I had two > nice purchases and had spent a pleasant 2 hours browsing in a pleasant, > well lit, and well arranged shop with a good inventory that I would visit > again next time I am in Singapore. > > Imagine my delight when, in April I received a letter from them pointing > out that they had inadvertently overcharged me S$104 (US$60.00) and that > they had credited that sum to my credit card. > > I had not noticed the overcharge and they need not have raised it with me. > A retailer like this deserves to be well known in the map history > community. If you ever have time to spare please visit them. I recommend > them. > > John Saunders > Hong Kong > _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. 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