Hello Mark,
here I am
Michael
----- Original Message -----From: MKBabinski@aol.comSent: Monday, December 01, 2003 4:43 AMSubject: [MapHist] Michael Ritter's email addressDear MapHisters:
Does anyone have Michael Ritter's (somewhere in Germany) email address? I corresponded with him re Seutter/Lotter/Probst about 2 years ago and now cannot find either his physical address in Germany or the email address. Michael wrote a piece on the Augsburg mapmakers published in Imago Mundi 53 and I believe a related article of his appeared in Cartographica Helvetica 25. Thanks
Mark Babinski
Hello Mark,
here I am. What's the matter?
Michael
----- Original Message -----From: MKBabinski@aol.comSent: Monday, December 01, 2003 4:43 AMSubject: [MapHist] Michael Ritter's email addressDear MapHisters:
Does anyone have Michael Ritter's (somewhere in Germany) email address? I corresponded with him re Seutter/Lotter/Probst about 2 years ago and now cannot find either his physical address in Germany or the email address. Michael wrote a piece on the Augsburg mapmakers published in Imago Mundi 53 and I believe a related article of his appeared in Cartographica Helvetica 25. Thanks
Mark Babinski
Thanks again.
Mark
fellow MapHists: I have posted a map of Yucatan/Central America on the illustration page at www.maphist.nl/illustr.html and wonder if anybody can help identify cartographer, date, where published, etc.?
Jens
P.Bornholt/Guatemala
TMR-L (The Medieval Review list) has just published a long and detailed review, by USC's Peter Mancall, of James Enterline, _Erikson, Eskimos & Columbus: Medieval European Knowledge of America_ (Johns Hopkins University Press, 2002). The review is not yet online at http://www.hti.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?type=simple&c=tmr&q1=2003&rgn=review+year&sid=6d53c338b83e6f35cae57e9dcde1e950 (or click here: http://tinyurl.com/xxry), but I will either forward it now to whoever is interested or, if there is demand, forward it to the list.
Cheers,
Al Magary
I, for one, would be interested.
Keith Pickering
----- Original Message -----From: Al MagaryTo: MapHistSent: Friday, December 05, 2003 4:38 PMSubject: [MapHist] TMR-L review of Enterline: Erikson, Eskimos & ColumbusTMR-L (The Medieval Review list) has just published a long and detailed review, by USC's Peter Mancall, of James Enterline, _Erikson, Eskimos & Columbus: Medieval European Knowledge of America_ (Johns Hopkins University Press, 2002). The review is not yet online at http://www.hti.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?type=simple&c=tmr&q1=2003&rgn=review+year&sid=6d53c338b83e6f35cae57e9dcde1e950 (or click here: http://tinyurl.com/xxry), but I will either forward it now to whoever is interested or, if there is demand, forward it to the list.Cheers,Al Magary
and I also
Jens P.Bornholt
----- Original Message -----From: Keith PickeringSent: 05 December, 2003 5:51 PMSubject: Re: [MapHist] TMR-L review of Enterline: Erikson, Eskimos & ColumbusI, for one, would be interested.Keith Pickering----- Original Message -----From: Al MagaryTo: MapHistSent: Friday, December 05, 2003 4:38 PMSubject: [MapHist] TMR-L review of Enterline: Erikson, Eskimos & ColumbusTMR-L (The Medieval Review list) has just published a long and detailed review, by USC's Peter Mancall, of James Enterline, _Erikson, Eskimos & Columbus: Medieval European Knowledge of America_ (Johns Hopkins University Press, 2002). The review is not yet online at http://www.hti.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?type=simple&c=tmr&q1=2003&rgn=review+year&sid=6d53c338b83e6f35cae57e9dcde1e950 (or click here: http://tinyurl.com/xxry), but I will either forward it now to whoever is interested or, if there is demand, forward it to the list.Cheers,Al Magary
I would be interested in seeing the review.
[Enough people seemed to be interested in this that I'm just posting to the list. Cheers, Al Magary]
Enterline, James Robert. <i>Erikson, Eskimos & Columbus:
Medieval European Knowledge of America</i>. Baltimore and
London: The Johns Hopkins University Press, 2002. Pp. xx +
342. Illus., index. $45.00 (hb). ISBN: 0-8018-6660-X.
Reviewed by Peter C. Mancall
University of Southern California
mancall@usc.edu
This is not a normal book of history. It is, instead, a work
of applied social science which reads like the extended lab
report of a talented and imaginative scholar eager to solve a
series of perplexing but related problems. The problems
themselves are fascinating, and James Enterline seems in many
respects an ideal person to seek their solutions. No less an
authority than Thor Heyerdahl has endorsed Enterline's efforts
here.
The basic problem in the book is simple enough: what happened
to the knowledge of the North Atlantic gained by the Norse
during their expeditions to the west between the turn of the
first Christian millennium and the time of Christopher
Columbus's history-making journey in 1492? Enterline is hardly
the first historian to seek an answer to that sort of question.
Many scholars have wondered what was on Columbus's mind when
he sailed west in that tumultuous year. Valerie Flint's
<i>Imaginative Landscape of Christopher Columbus</i>
(Princeton, 1992) remains among the most engaging of those
works, though apparently it escaped Enterline's notice since it
was not mentioned in his bibliography. Enterline also seems to
have missed the work of some other scholars who have looked at
these kinds of questions, such as David Beers Quinn, Alfred
Crosby, and Felipe Fernandez-Armesto. Though Enterline did use
a number of relevant works, and though he is quick to give
credit to the theories of other scholars, one wonders if those
he ignored might have helped to explain the larger context of
his findings.
But to mention the fact that Enterline skipped certain works of
modern scholars is not quite the point. Identified on the book
not as a historian but as a mathematician and computer
consultant, Enterline is less interested in modern scholars'
work than he is in putting together the pieces of a grand
puzzle. (It should be noted that this is not Enterline's first
attempt to explain the North Atlantic; he is also the author of
<i>Viking America</i> [New York, 1972].) In order to
understand how geographic knowledge about the North Atlantic
spread in late medieval Europe, he has looked at scores of maps
that purport to provide information about the seas and lands
lying to the west and north of the continent. Some of those
lands were settled by the Norse, notably Iceland and Greenland,
as well as parts of the Americas, including the place the Norse
called Vinland (modern-day Newfoundland). Perhaps the
greatest strength of this book, and the source of its lasting
appeal, will be Enterline's (and the press's) decision to
reprint many of these maps, thereby providing much of the
evidence about European knowledge of geography.
Many of the maps that Enterline uses should be familiar to
medieval and early modern historians. They contain coastlines
that resemble, but do not match, those to be found in modern
atlases. The heads of cherubs exhale winds. Large creatures
swim lazily about open water. And those who made them employed
a symbolic language in which simple images such as European-
style houses or churches represented human activity of one sort
or another. But Enterline does not rely only on traditional
maps here. In addition, he reads travel accounts closely
because, as he argues, "[g]eometrical and geographical
information was transmitted in elaborate verbal descriptions"
that supplemented visual evidence (15). He uses such non-
visual material found in old books and manuscripts as part of
his "archival archaeological" evidence (15), which he brings
together in untraditional ways. This technique, he writes,
"makes it possible to weave together a large number of odd,
unexplained and previously unrelated observations into a
unified fabric, a hypothetico-deductive model. This is the
essence of philosophy, even if the fabric remains to be tested.
Passing the text converts it to science" (15-16).
What will this "science" teach us? If the hypothesis can pass
certain tests, it will mean that we all need to abandon the
idea of a single "discovery" of America and instead imagine
many encounters. While that news is not particularly shocking,
Enterline also claims that his methods will reveal that "there
was a gradual Eskimo divulgence to Europe of continental land
existing just west of Greenland" (16). To demonstrate that he
will not use random scraps of evidence to prove his claims,
Enterline provides five rules that guide his inquiry:
1. Study only large, extended coastlines (not isolated minor
wiggles).
2. Candidate coastal shapes must have multiple discernible
features.
3. The features must be of appropriate proportions and
relationships.
4. Only limited scale adjustments may be involved.
5. Unless very specifically justified, rotations will not be
allowed. (25)
Enterline's confession of these guidelines and his occasional
use of the insights of the structural psychologist Jean Piaget
serve to remind the reader that this is no work of history
designed to please those looking for a seamless narrative or a
particularly evocative depiction of the pre-modern Atlantic
world. There is nothing here to resemble the beautiful
rendering of time and place to be found in the first part of
Fernand Braudel's brilliant history of the Mediterranean world.
Though Braudel once wrote about the "human sciences,"
Enterline's vision of how such sciences should function and
what they should produce bears no relation to the elegant
descriptions of the medieval west to be found in the writings
of the Annalistes or those inspired by them. (For Braudel's
views see his "History and the Social Sciences: The Longue
Duree," in Braudel, <i>On History</i>, trans. Sarah Matthews
[Chicago, 1980], 25-54.)
Enterline has divided his study into two parts. There is no
real balance between these parts, though they do relate to one
another. The first part, a series of three relatively short
chapters, consists of "Outstanding Misunderstandings." Here
Enterline pulls together the information known about Claudius
Clavus, an early fifteenth-century traveler who stumbled into
the court of Pope Martin V in 1425 and used the Curia as a
place to tell about what he knew of the islands of the north
Atlantic. According to Enterline, Clavus apparently "received
(directly or indirectly) a native map of this area from the
hands (or mouth, allowing a descriptive source) of someone
coming through Scandinavia and took it to be a map of the
Scandinavian region" (43). This is crucial for Enterline's
argument, since much of what he claims is based on the belief
that the indigenous Thule peoples of the frozen north possessed
more information about those desperate lands than any
Europeans, and that some of them proved willing to share their
knowledge with visitors. But Clavus did more than gather this
information in his no longer extant maps: by bringing this news
to Rome, he became one of those crucial figures responsible for
translating the Thule legacy to a wider European audience.
Medieval European Knowledge of America</i>. Baltimore and
London: The Johns Hopkins University Press, 2002. Pp. xx +
342. Illus., index. $45.00 (hb). ISBN: 0-8018-6660-X.
Reviewed by Peter C. Mancall
University of Southern California
mancall@usc.edu
This is not a normal book of history. It is, instead, a work
of applied social science which reads like the extended lab
report of a talented and imaginative scholar eager to solve a
series of perplexing but related problems. The problems
themselves are fascinating, and James Enterline seems in many
respects an ideal person to seek their solutions. No less an
authority than Thor Heyerdahl has endorsed Enterline's efforts
here.
The basic problem in the book is simple enough: what happened
to the knowledge of the North Atlantic gained by the Norse
during their expeditions to the west between the turn of the
first Christian millennium and the time of Christopher
Columbus's history-making journey in 1492? Enterline is hardly
the first historian to seek an answer to that sort of question.
Many scholars have wondered what was on Columbus's mind when
he sailed west in that tumultuous year. Valerie Flint's
<i>Imaginative Landscape of Christopher Columbus</i>
(Princeton, 1992) remains among the most engaging of those
works, though apparently it escaped Enterline's notice since it
was not mentioned in his bibliography. Enterline also seems to
have missed the work of some other scholars who have looked at
these kinds of questions, such as David Beers Quinn, Alfred
Crosby, and Felipe Fernandez-Armesto. Though Enterline did use
a number of relevant works, and though he is quick to give
credit to the theories of other scholars, one wonders if those
he ignored might have helped to explain the larger context of
his findings.
But to mention the fact that Enterline skipped certain works of
modern scholars is not quite the point. Identified on the book
not as a historian but as a mathematician and computer
consultant, Enterline is less interested in modern scholars'
work than he is in putting together the pieces of a grand
puzzle. (It should be noted that this is not Enterline's first
attempt to explain the North Atlantic; he is also the author of
<i>Viking America</i> [New York, 1972].) In order to
understand how geographic knowledge about the North Atlantic
spread in late medieval Europe, he has looked at scores of maps
that purport to provide information about the seas and lands
lying to the west and north of the continent. Some of those
lands were settled by the Norse, notably Iceland and Greenland,
as well as parts of the Americas, including the place the Norse
called Vinland (modern-day Newfoundland). Perhaps the
greatest strength of this book, and the source of its lasting
appeal, will be Enterline's (and the press's) decision to
reprint many of these maps, thereby providing much of the
evidence about European knowledge of geography.
Many of the maps that Enterline uses should be familiar to
medieval and early modern historians. They contain coastlines
that resemble, but do not match, those to be found in modern
atlases. The heads of cherubs exhale winds. Large creatures
swim lazily about open water. And those who made them employed
a symbolic language in which simple images such as European-
style houses or churches represented human activity of one sort
or another. But Enterline does not rely only on traditional
maps here. In addition, he reads travel accounts closely
because, as he argues, "[g]eometrical and geographical
information was transmitted in elaborate verbal descriptions"
that supplemented visual evidence (15). He uses such non-
visual material found in old books and manuscripts as part of
his "archival archaeological" evidence (15), which he brings
together in untraditional ways. This technique, he writes,
"makes it possible to weave together a large number of odd,
unexplained and previously unrelated observations into a
unified fabric, a hypothetico-deductive model. This is the
essence of philosophy, even if the fabric remains to be tested.
Passing the text converts it to science" (15-16).
What will this "science" teach us? If the hypothesis can pass
certain tests, it will mean that we all need to abandon the
idea of a single "discovery" of America and instead imagine
many encounters. While that news is not particularly shocking,
Enterline also claims that his methods will reveal that "there
was a gradual Eskimo divulgence to Europe of continental land
existing just west of Greenland" (16). To demonstrate that he
will not use random scraps of evidence to prove his claims,
Enterline provides five rules that guide his inquiry:
1. Study only large, extended coastlines (not isolated minor
wiggles).
2. Candidate coastal shapes must have multiple discernible
features.
3. The features must be of appropriate proportions and
relationships.
4. Only limited scale adjustments may be involved.
5. Unless very specifically justified, rotations will not be
allowed. (25)
Enterline's confession of these guidelines and his occasional
use of the insights of the structural psychologist Jean Piaget
serve to remind the reader that this is no work of history
designed to please those looking for a seamless narrative or a
particularly evocative depiction of the pre-modern Atlantic
world. There is nothing here to resemble the beautiful
rendering of time and place to be found in the first part of
Fernand Braudel's brilliant history of the Mediterranean world.
Though Braudel once wrote about the "human sciences,"
Enterline's vision of how such sciences should function and
what they should produce bears no relation to the elegant
descriptions of the medieval west to be found in the writings
of the Annalistes or those inspired by them. (For Braudel's
views see his "History and the Social Sciences: The Longue
Duree," in Braudel, <i>On History</i>, trans. Sarah Matthews
[Chicago, 1980], 25-54.)
Enterline has divided his study into two parts. There is no
real balance between these parts, though they do relate to one
another. The first part, a series of three relatively short
chapters, consists of "Outstanding Misunderstandings." Here
Enterline pulls together the information known about Claudius
Clavus, an early fifteenth-century traveler who stumbled into
the court of Pope Martin V in 1425 and used the Curia as a
place to tell about what he knew of the islands of the north
Atlantic. According to Enterline, Clavus apparently "received
(directly or indirectly) a native map of this area from the
hands (or mouth, allowing a descriptive source) of someone
coming through Scandinavia and took it to be a map of the
Scandinavian region" (43). This is crucial for Enterline's
argument, since much of what he claims is based on the belief
that the indigenous Thule peoples of the frozen north possessed
more information about those desperate lands than any
Europeans, and that some of them proved willing to share their
knowledge with visitors. But Clavus did more than gather this
information in his no longer extant maps: by bringing this news
to Rome, he became one of those crucial figures responsible for
translating the Thule legacy to a wider European audience.
[continued in pt 2]
We have just returned from a long cruise on the m/s Noordam of the Holland America Line. Brought back a cold (or the 'flu' [or SARS]) from the trip and am moving slowly. What is interesting about the Noordam is the heavy use of maps as decoration. Yes, real antique maps framed and bolted to the walls. There were over 20 such maps (didn't get to all parts of the ship so can't say definitely) on the walls, one even in a non-public area which I glimpsed through an open door once. It crossed my mind to try to get a list, but they were framed & displayed in such a way that I would have to stand on furniture in some cases. In another instance, nine maps on a wall almost always had easels in front of them displaying art work for sale. Perhaps the office in Rotterdam or Seattle will have a list of all individual "art work" for insurance purposes.
By the way, there was a Dutch edition of Anson and an old Bible locked up in what is called "The Book Chest," a small lending library on the ship. The area called "The Admirals' Lounge" had small engravings of Dutch naval commanders on the wall. If anyone has a chance to visit aboard the Noordam, it's an interesting experience for map folk.
JBP
Perhaps, as Agustin suggests, we should open up the subject world-wide. Here is an entry from the 'Imago Mundi Bibiography' of vol. 53 (2001):-
The development of medical cartography from the late eighteenth to the mid-twentieth century / [F.A. Barrett]. - In Disease and geography : the history of an idea / Frank A. Barrett. - Toronto : Atkinson College, York University, [2000]. - ch.16 (p.469-521) : ill. - (Geogr. Monogr. ; no. 23). - 14 notes & refs. - Chiefly from L.L. Finke's statement of intent (1789) to produce nosological map of the world (no exemplars traced), and 'Tabula Mundi Geographico Zoologica' of E.A.W. Zimmermann (1777), to World atlas of endemic diseases = Welt-Seuchen Atlas of E. Rodenwaldt with maps by F. Hölzel (Hamburg : Falk, 1952-61). - ISBN 1-55014-396-4
And - to demonstrate multi-nationalism in a smaller way - why not mention a British cholera map made constructed by a German:-
Cholera map of the British Isles shewing the districts attacked in 1831, 1832, 1833 / constructed from official documents by Augustus Petermann F.R.G.S. - Scale [ca 1:2 200 000]. - London : J. Betts, [1848]. - 1 sheet ; 18 x 11 inches + Accompanying notes. - Inset: Cholera cases in London and its vicinity, 1832. Scale [ca 1:120 000]. With statistics (by Registration Districts). - Accessioned RGS Map Room: 13.11.1848 (ex-A. Petermann)
¡Adios (etc.)!
Francisco Herbert
http://www.rgs.org [see 'Collections'/'Unlocking the Archives']
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl [mailto:owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl]
Sent: 12 December 2003 12:39
To: maphist@geog.uu.nl
Cc: S.Chapman@dcs.shef.ac.uk
Subject: Re: [MapHist] First Ever recorded Maps...etc
Non-member submission from [Agustin Hernando <agustinhernando@ub.edu>]
I think it's interesting the 'anglocentrism' answer by people to this question!
In different european countries were edited cholera maps at the beginning
of the XIX
Century. Here in Spain it was published one cholera map ( the route of its
difussion in
the world) in about 1830, and as far I know was inspired in a french one.
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For a low cost, low-tech local cartobibliography/union list/finding aid, you may be interested in our list, titled “Early Maps of the British Columbia Area”. It was produced on a MS Excel spreadsheet, with 10 fields on the print out, and a further 15 on a bibliography sheet to be linked later. The fields were selected after examining the AACR2 guidelines, and many other repositories bibliographies, but tailored to our need for a manageable database. It is transferable to other databases and hopefully will be posted to the web with a search engine and thumbnails of the maps.
The scope is from the Elizabethan era up to the British colonial era, ending in 1871 when B.C. joined Canada. Research involved searching all explorers’ journals and worldwide published or online map repository catalogues. We often had to make our own catalogue by photocopying file cards in drawers. We also checked old periodicals, atlases and books. Our reference list exceeds 25 sources, including the relevant regional and national archives and hydrographic offices in Canada, USA, the UK, the Museo Naval in Madrid, and university map libraries. The location list for each map includes repository name and catalogue number, or publication and page. Duplicated holdings in other libraries are listed. State of the plates is listed where available. The list is searchable in all fields and categories by using Find. The layout is subject-based, so you see associated maps on your screen.
It took a few years and many early versions to arrive at our final? list in 2001. Since then, we have only found a few more to add to our 2500 total. We have included all manuscript maps, particularly those in the fur trade and those that accompany colonial correspondence as they tell the story of our early exploration. We have obtained a b&w 11x17 inch photocopy as a record map to accompany the report. Copies of the maps and the report are going to be distributed to archives and libraries within B.C.
Using hidden fields for categories, we have sorted and printed our list in chronological order by era, then by expedition. Later expeditions are sorted into regional areas of B.C.
Out print out has 103 sections for easy access to your research interest.
Example. Spanish maritime exploration, Malaspina expedition maps
Example. Alaska boundary dispute, US Case and British Case maps
Example. Vancouver Island, British War Office maps
I have often thought that if other jurisdictions produced a similar list of early maps, we would have a remarkable resource that could be accessed through MapHist.
Either the cover sheet, preface page, index page, repository list, bibliography sheet, or a sample 50 map page can be sent by e-mail to interested parties. Please contact me off-list at wardbruce@shaw.ca or wait a while for our web site.
Bruce Ward
President, Map Society of B.C.
Vancouver Maritime Museum, 1905 Ogden Avenue, Vancouver B.C. Canada V6J 1A3
604-988-5742
I have been following this list a few weeks, and I have an extraordinarily basic question. I have a very recently developed interest in historical maps and will be in London a few day after Christmas. Can anyone suggest how/where to view maps in the British Museum or other libraries or museums in London? Thank you for any help you can provide.
R. Wayne Thorpe
Mediator/Arbitrator
JAMS, Atlanta Office Director
235 Peachtree St.
600 North Tower
Atlanta, GA 30303
tel: 404-588-0900
fax: 404-588-0905
cell: 404-276-0017
wthorpe@mindspring.com
I have been following this list a few weeks, and I have an extraordinarily basic question. I have a very recently developed interest in historical maps and will be in London a few day after Christmas. Can anyone suggest how/where to view maps in the British Museum or other libraries or museums in London? Thank you for any
The British Library has one of the best map collections you will ever find. Sometimes they have maps on public display in the first floor exhibit rooms, but any special interest maps must be requested in the Map Library - http://www.bl.uk/collections/maps.html
You might need to show your passport to get a reader's card.
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John W. Docktor
Phone: 717-846-8997 Fax: 717-845-9337
Cartography - Calendars of Events & Exhibitions: http://www.docktor.com/
Washington Map Society: http://www.washmap.org/
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For those who cannot be in London over Christmas, due to plans to be in Hawaii or the Seychelles, or at some other warm, remote spot on the map, second best is to examine the maps online at the new British Library site, Collect Britain: http://www.collectbritain.co.uk/ The site aims to have 100,000 items online by Sept. 2004. Meanwhile, it has, for example, 1,200 maps from the Crace Collection, primarily of the UK (and largely London). Descriptions of current and planned collections at http://www.collectbritain.co.uk/collections/?bshortdisplay=false
Cheers,
Al Magary
You may wish to view the current exhibition at the Guildhall Library entitled 'Mapping the Metropolis'. For details see
Best regards,
Alexander Schulenburg
-----Original Message-----
From: Al Magary [mailto:al@magary.com]
Sent: 17 December 2003 02:25
To: maphist@geog.uu.nl
Cc: "Wayne Thorpe"
Subject: Re: [MapHist] historical maps in london librariesFor those who cannot be in London over Christmas, due to plans to be in Hawaii or the Seychelles, or at some other warm, remote spot on the map, second best is to examine the maps online at the new British Library site, Collect Britain: http://www.collectbritain.co.uk/ The site aims to have 100,000 items online by Sept. 2004. Meanwhile, it has, for example, 1,200 maps from the Crace Collection, primarily of the UK (and largely London). Descriptions of current and planned collections at http://www.collectbritain.co.uk/collections/?bshortdisplay=falseCheers,Al Magary
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Normally (it's in process of revision this morning, at least) you would/should check the index to the online 'Directory of UK map collections' of the British Cartographic Society's Map Curators' Group: http://www.cartography.org.uk/Pages/Publicat/Ukdir/IndexSp.html
(And, incidentally, the British Museum hasn't had the main map collection since 1973 when - administratively - the collection became part of The British Library: your sources of information is way out of date!).
Sincerely
Francis Herbert (Curator of Maps, RGS-IBG)
http://www.rgs.org [see 'Collections'/'Unlocking the Archives']
-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Thorpe [mailto:wthorpe@mindspring.com]
Sent: 17 December 2003 00:26
To: maphist@geog.uu.nl
Subject: [MapHist] historical maps in london libraries
I have been following this list a few weeks, and I have an extraordinarily basic question. I have a very recently developed interest in historical maps and will be in London a few day after Christmas. Can anyone suggest how/where to view maps in the British Museum or other libraries or museums in London? Thank you for any help you can provide.
R. Wayne Thorpe
Mediator/Arbitrator
JAMS, Atlanta Office Director
235 Peachtree St.
600 North Tower
Atlanta, GA 30303
tel: 404-588-0900
fax: 404-588-0905
cell: 404-276-0017
wthorpe@mindspring.com
Joel:
Our copy of Vandermaelen's 'Atlas Universel' vol. 1 (Europe) has been checked against the listing - which may have been made by one of Professor Koeman's students or volunteers. Indeed, plate 24 = 'Partie de l'Espagne et Portugal' ; 25 = 'Iles Baléares et Sardaigne' [not "Iles Baleares [!] et Sardaignes [!]"] ; 26 = 'Naples et Sicile' ; and 27 = 'Grèce'. There are no plates 28 & 29.
If you have any further queries you could enquire direct of Marguerite Sylvestre, currently chief compiler of the multi-volume series 'Inventaire raisonné des Collections cartographiques Vandermaelen conservées à la Bibliothèque royale de Belgique' (1994 onwards)[see, e.g., 'IM Bibliography' entry no. 53:(101) ] via e-mail: margueritesilvestre@hotmail.com
Francis
http://www.rgs.org [see 'Collections'/'Unlocking the Archives']
-----Original Message-----
From: Joel Kovarsky [mailto:jsk@gamewood.net]
Sent: 19 December 2003 01:49
To: maphist@geog.uu.nl
Subject: [MapHist] vol. 1, Atlas Universel (Europe), Vandermaelen
To Peter, and others with similar knowledge, I would like to confirm what I
think is an error in the first edition Koeman collation of this atlas. It
is on p. 141, volume III. I think it erroneously duplicates sheets for both
Spain and Portugal, and Greece. Based on the numbering in the atlas itself,
there is only one numbered map for each of these. From what I can tell the
index map (and the atlas itself) seems to confirm this.
Am I missing something? Are there several collations of this atlas?
Thank you for any help. Joel Kovarsky
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A co-worker here provided the following:
"Three possibilities, none of which inspire my confidence:
Valavsk 51 40; 28 46 (in Belarus)
Valvachi 54 45; 32 12 (in Russia)
Volyansk 51 52; 24 53 (a lake in Ukraine) "
Valavsk 51 40; 28 46 (in Belarus)
Valvachi 54 45; 32 12 (in Russia)
Volyansk 51 52; 24 53 (a lake in Ukraine) "
You may also wish to search the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency (formerly known as National Imagery and Mapping Agency) GeoNet database at http://earth-info.nima.mil/gns/html/
Ed Redmond
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>>> Corey_Snook@CBC.CA 12/19/2003 1:10:06 PM >>>
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>>> Corey_Snook@CBC.CA 12/19/2003 1:10:06 PM >>>
Hello List Memebers,
I'm trying to find a 1742 Russian farming village whose name sounds
like "VOLVASK," with the stress on the last sylable (vol-VASK.)
Unfortunately I don't know if that's the correct spelling because it
comes from an oral record. In other words, instead of VOL, it could be
VAL, VEL, VIL, VUL, or instead of V, it could be F, B. Confusing, I
know, but that's about all I have to go on.
The only other information I have on the village is that it is was
likely in northern Russia in farming territory. I've also been told VOL
could mean that the village is associated with the Volga river.
The information will be used in an upcoming television documentary by
Canada's public non-profit broadcaster, the Canadian Broadcasting
Corporation.
The last time I enlisted MapHist help I received amazing responses from
several members from all over the world. This is a fantastic ListServ
a nd I really appreciate all of your help.
Thanks again and happy new year to all of you.
Sincerely,
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I'm trying to find a 1742 Russian farming village whose name sounds
like "VOLVASK," with the stress on the last sylable (vol-VASK.)
Unfortunately I don't know if that's the correct spelling because it
comes from an oral record. In other words, instead of VOL, it could be
VAL, VEL, VIL, VUL, or instead of V, it could be F, B. Confusing, I
know, but that's about all I have to go on.
The only other information I have on the village is that it is was
likely in northern Russia in farming territory. I've also been told VOL
could mean that the village is associated with the Volga river.
The information will be used in an upcoming television documentary by
Canada's public non-profit broadcaster, the Canadian Broadcasting
Corporation.
The last time I enlisted MapHist help I received amazing responses from
several members from all over the world. This is a fantastic ListServ
a nd I really appreciate all of your help.
Thanks again and happy new year to all of you.
Sincerely,
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Peter:
As my Christmas gift to you please kindly accept my $750.00 for all your MapHist work.
The check is in the mail.
Ed Redmond
Library of Congress
>>> peter@vanderkrogt.net 12/23/2003 8:51:56 AM >>>
Dear all
It is quite on the list now, thus I hope you all will forgive me this off
topic message. As you all know there is a lot of spam email, and the
MapHist list receives about 20-30 a day. This time there was a happy
message for us all:
A certain Patrick Foster on behalf of mrs. Grace Merry (the lottery
coordinator, what a name for this time of year!) informs us kindly that in
the Lottery Winners International programs held on the 10th of December
2003 our e-mail address "drew lucky numbers ... which consequently won in
the 2nd category, you are therefore been approved for a lump sum of payment
of US$ 500,000 (FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND UNITED STATES DOLLARS)
CONGRATULATIONS!!!"
Isn't that nice? We are with about 665 subscribers thus that is about $750
each, maybe a bit more, since "Anybody under the age of 18 is automatically
disqualified." Sorry minor-subscribers - if any - you won't get a cent
(oops, MapHist is only 9 - almost 10 - years old, are we disqualified?)
Patrick wants us to keep this information confidential and call him, "all
winning must be claimed not later than 15th of JENUARY 2004" [sic]
I don't know what is the snake in the grass in this spam message, but I am
absolutely sure that you never get any money when you call. You probably
have to pay first some subscription fee and then you never hear anything...
Merry Christmas!
Peter (I don't read all the spam, but according to sender and subject this
message was a doubtful case)
Peter van der Krogt
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It is quite on the list now, thus I hope you all will forgive me this off
topic message. As you all know there is a lot of spam email, and the
MapHist list receives about 20-30 a day. This time there was a happy
message for us all:
A certain Patrick Foster on behalf of mrs. Grace Merry (the lottery
coordinator, what a name for this time of year!) informs us kindly that in
the Lottery Winners International programs held on the 10th of December
2003 our e-mail address "drew lucky numbers ... which consequently won in
the 2nd category, you are therefore been approved for a lump sum of payment
of US$ 500,000 (FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND UNITED STATES DOLLARS)
CONGRATULATIONS!!!"
Isn't that nice? We are with about 665 subscribers thus that is about $750
each, maybe a bit more, since "Anybody under the age of 18 is automatically
disqualified." Sorry minor-subscribers - if any - you won't get a cent
(oops, MapHist is only 9 - almost 10 - years old, are we disqualified?)
Patrick wants us to keep this information confidential and call him, "all
winning must be claimed not later than 15th of JENUARY 2004" [sic]
I don't know what is the snake in the grass in this spam message, but I am
absolutely sure that you never get any money when you call. You probably
have to pay first some subscription fee and then you never hear anything...
Merry Christmas!
Peter (I don't read all the spam, but according to sender and subject this
message was a doubtful case)
Peter van der Krogt
List-owner MapHist
List-info: http://www.maphist.nl
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I did a google search and found many links -- in English. Here is an upside down map of the world with a little discussion.
http://www.flourish.org/upsidedownmap/
We own a map made by Hema entitled "The Kiwi upside down map of the world" with the following note on the map itself (produced in New Zealand) -- resembles the graphic below but slightly different:
"Traditional world maps are drawn from the perspective of the first European explorers and cartographers - with the Northern Hemisphere at the top. We think it[']s time to break with tradition and show the world from the perspective of all those people living in the Southern Hemisphere. After all, there is no ancient geographical feature saying "This way up.""
Have fun!!
Angie
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Non-member submission from ["Marco Pautasso" <marpauta@hotmail.com>]
Dear Maphistorians,
does anybody know where on the web
there is a map of China, Australia, or similar region
where north is down and south is up?
Many thanks in advance.
Have a merry Christmas!!
Marco
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A Happy Western Euro-Christian New Year to you all.
"The Portolan" has been published since 1984 and welcomes you to investigate and try this thrice-yearly journal with articles on maps, the history of cartography, and exploration. Below is information on the issue just published. See the end of this message for the link to the contents list of all back issues and an index to those issues. You will see that the focus of the society and the journal is not solely Washington. There is something for YOU in this journal.
"THE PORTOLAN": JOURNAL OF THE WASHINGTON MAP SOCIETY
ISSUE 58 (Winter 2003-2004)
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Issue 58 (Winter 2003-2004), consisting of 76 pages, was published in December 2003 and has been sent to all subscribers and members in good standing of the Washington Map Society. Copies are available for purchase.
IAN MUMFORD’s article on the invention of photolithography gives us insights on the rush to develop this technology that so changed map-making. ROBERT CRAIG has long been involved in handling and protecting the maps of New Jersey; his article relates the value of large-scale late 19thcentury maps in preserving the history of settlement. IAN BARTKY takes the reader through the world of the International Date Line, prime meridian and time zones. DON CRESSWELL, a map/print expert often appearing on the show, takes the reader behind the scenes at TV’s ‘Antiques Roadshow.’ PAUL McDERMOTT has spent countless hours walking and mapping the Chesapeake and Ohio Canal; he shares many facts about the short-lived commercial venture. BERT JOHNSON was a presenter at the October 2003 IMCoS Meeting in Cyprus and shares recollections about the multi-day event. RAY WOLF summarizes the first all-day educational program of the WMS – a seminar on the history of cartography. Three WMS members share thoughts about themselves and maps. Three books and five maps are reviewed. And there is more. "The Portolan" is published three times per year; issue 59 is due for release in April 2004.
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CONTENTS OF ISSUE 58 - Winter 2003-2004
ARTICLES
“On the Invention of Photolithography as Applied to Map Making.” By Dr. Ian Mumford
“Recognizing a New Genre: The Large-Scale, Local Map of the Mid-19th Century.” By Robert Craig
“Finding and Charting the World's Time.” By Dr. Ian Bartky
“Maps and TV’s Antiques Roadshow.” By Dr. Don Cresswell
“The Chesapeake and Ohio Canal.” By Prof. (Ret.) Paul McDermott
“IMCoS 2003 in Cyprus. By Hubert O. Johnson
RECENT PUBLICATIONS
A regular feature in 'The Portolan,' this is a bibliographic listing of articles and books appearing worldwide on antique maps and globes and the history of cartography. By Eric W. Wolf.
BOOK/CD-ROM/MAP REVIEWS
“The Maryland State Archives Atlas of Historical Maps of Maryland 1608-1908” by Edward Papenfuse and Joseph Coale (Reviewer: William A. Stanley)
“The Mismapping of America” by Seymour Schwartz (Reviewer: Richard Stephenson)
“Erikson, Eskimos & Columbus: Medieval European Knowledge of America.” by James Enterline (Reviewer: Arne Molander)
Four maps of Tehran and Iran (Reviewer: a Washington Map Society member)
Map: “Lewis & Clark and the Louisiana Purchase” by Earl McElfresh (Reviewer: Charles E. White)
SHORTER ITEMS
1. Washington Map Society Meetings, January - May 2004.
2. Exhibitions and Meetings.
3. 2003 Ristow Prize Winner Announcement.
4. 2004 Ristow Prize Competition.
5. A Gift of Maps to the Library of Virginia.
6. WMS 25thAnniversary Symposium and Celebration – May 20-22, 2004.
7. Obituary – WMS Director Herb Spira
8. Washington Map Society Annual Business Meeting – May 15, 2003
9. Washington Map Society/Library of Congress Seminar on the History of Cartography
10. Spotlight on the WMS Membership: Betz (x2), McCorkle, Papenfuse
11. Map Site Seeing: Key World Wide Web map sites.
12. Cartographic Notes. By Thomas F. Sander.
AUTHORS OF ARTICLES IN THIS ISSUE
DR. IAN MUMFORD is retired Director of the United Kingdom’s Military Survey. He served four years as British Liaison Officer to the then Defense Mapping Agency in Washington.
ROBERT CRAIG is historian and architectural historian at the New Jersey State Historic Preservation Office.
DR. IAN BARTKY spent most of his professional career at what was then the National Bureau of Standards. He has advised the U.S. House of Representatives on the effects of Daylight Saving Time legislation.
DR. DON CRESSWELL appears often on TV’s ‘Antiques Roadshow” as a map & print expert. He is co-proprietor of the Philadelphia Print Shop.
Professor (Emeritus) PAUL McDERMOTT (Montgomery College, MD) has for 30 years visited, studied and mapped the Chesapeake and Ohio Canal.
HUBERT O. (BERT) JOHNSON made a presentation on mapmaker Joseph Roux at the Cyprus IMCoS Symposium in October 2003.
RAY WOLF is immediate past president of the Washington Map Society.
ERIC W. WOLF, twice past President of the Washington Map Society, is an internationally recognized authority on the history of cartography. He is the immediate past president of the Society for the History of Discoveries.
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